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Arten wrote:Hi I am not an Atheist but I don't belong to Christendom either. Rome gave the world the Bible and their deity Jesus and its Rome via the Vatican that issued the papal bulls claiming it owns us. It don't because anything that is created, is in subjugations to its creator, religion is created by man.
If I find myself in their corrupt Admiralty courts and I live in the UK I am sure God will speak through me. Right now the prevailing wisdom here is don't go into their courts. If you have not violated the Common Law then they cannot force you to enter the lions den and remember only ghost appear, flesh and blood human beings do not!
Hello Arten,
Before I can start to have a meaningful discussion with you, can you answer a some questions?
1) Like scott, I am interested in what law do you stand under?
2) If you are not an athiest do you believe in a Creator/God?
3) If the answer to number 2 is yes, in what/whom do you beieve?
Even if you don't believe in God, we have unalienable rights regardless, such as the right to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness.
Also, if you don't 'stand under' the court or Magistrate/Judge/Justice, I hope you didn't go through the wooden gates/barrier up to the lectern and address the Judge by title while standing!
editor wrote: ↑Thu Feb 28, 2013 11:40 pm
It would help us all immensely if we had an alternate court we could point to, as I did at the time, which could offer a genuine remedy. This is why I have kept the Christ county Vault alive on The Lawful Path all these years, in hope that others could benefit from the huge amount of work done on the Court Rules.
In the UK the Common Law Court was established in the latter part of 2017 where individuals may register and obtain a CLC Birth Certificate and also reclaim/register the NAME, as well as record other details within the CLC Deeds.
Although it's based in the UK the CLC is intended to be International and requires the support of the people everywhere. There have already been a number of international Men and Women registering their births etc. from around the world. Great Britain, Ireland, United States, Canada, New Zealand, Australia various locations in Europe and at least one African tribe is getting involved.
Please check it out to see if it is something you wish to support and help restore a method of Lawful remedy for the People by the People.
Hello, Gregory, It’s been quite a while. Hope all is well with you and yours.
This is part of a newsletter at beat traffic tickets.org
I’ve taken a segment of it, and thought it was good food for thought about the matter, if it is true, and I tend to think it is. It’s been years since I have posted anything here, but this article made me think of the post “DO YOU UNDERSTAND?” ! I still think it is a critical issue that can also be a critical trap.
Thank you,
Scott
From Common Law Remedy. How To Think About Applying The Law by Thomas: Elliot
I’m going to pick out passages from her correspondence to me that will help you to get an idea of the context in which she is speaking. The only edits I have made are in brackets, for clarification of what she intended to say. So here goes. The first email she sent me she made the following statements:
For the last 28 years I have been “beating traffic tickets” by using a very simple jurisdictional challenge. My last win was a case where my friend got ticketed for not wearing a seatbelt, going through a stop light and a potential DUI for having an open beer can. She was facing over $1,000 in fines and the loss of her license.
Another person told her not to go to court because she shouldn’t put herself in that jurisdiction. Another person told her to make sure she explains that the ticket was given to her strawman. I understand all of that and technically those people aren’t wrong. However, I have learned over these 28 years that the courts DON’T CARE about those arguments and ram right through them. I don’t know why she trusted what I told her, but it worked and everything was dismissed.
Now, we have these pesky red light cameras. I’ve used my same jurisdictional challenge and the judge said “trust me, I have jurisdiction over you.” I immediately applied for an appeal. They have yet to schedule another appearance. I haven’t got the fine yet. Basically, they put me in limbo. This was the motivation for me contacting you for your free report. I want to see what other knowledgeable people understand in regards to red light traffic tickets.
I wrote back asking her if she wouldn’t mind sharing with me the approach she took and has been teaching to others. Pay attention to every word and action she describes. Put yourself in her shoes and think about what she is doing. You have to know what you are doing and how to handle a judge’s challenges without responding to their questions but rather asking another question of your own that they will not be willing to answer. She wrote back, and this is what she had to say:
The simple jurisdictional challenge I’ve been using every single time is what you already know: is this a civil offense or criminal offense. I learned this from a man named Mel Stamper (author of Fruit From A Poisonous Tree) who taught me Common Law in the 90s. That was my first assignment; to get a speeding ticket in order to challenge it.
Here’s the scenario the last 4 time(s) I used this information (pre-pandemic.) As soon as they ask me how do I plead, I say I don’t understand the question. I don’t ever get off of “I don’t understand [the question]” until the judge asks me what is it that you don’t understand? I say I don’t really understand why I’m here. The judge usually says “well are you guilty of speeding or not?” Then I said...’before I can plead I need to know if I’m in civil court or criminal court?’ In these 4 instances the judge told me to sit in the back until everyone goes through. When everyone is cleared out he / she dismissed me. One time the judge said I committed a civil offense. So I asked him Isn’t a civil offense when 2 parties sign a contract and one person defaults? He said yes. So I asked him if he or the court could produce [the] contract that I broke and furthermore I’d like to face the other party who signed the contract and who is now accusing me of breaching our contract? The judge told me to sit down. After the court cleared, I was dismissed.
The only other time I got challenged by another judge he said that going faster than the speed limit was a minor criminal offense. I asked him if he could answer on the record if what I did was a minor criminal offense shouldn’t there be an injured person or damaged property? He looked really perturbed but answered in the affirmative. So I asked (if}I could he put the party that I injured on the stand so I could question them? He (the judge) glared at me (longer this time) and said the same thing ....go sit down. At the end of court I was dismissed. This is ALL I’ve ever done and told others to do, nothing else.
That’s why for this traffic cam ticket when the judge answered my question of civil or criminal court she flippantly says ....“oh trust me you’re in my jurisdiction,” I knew she only wanted me to pay. I asked could you just tell me on the record if this ticket is for a criminal or civil violation? Again her answer was the same. She then told the clerk to take my payment. I told her -on the record - I was appealing her decision because she did not sufficiently answer my question so I don’t understand what it is I’m being compelled to pay and why. This was in July 2023. It’s now October and still no fine, no rescheduled trial de novo, NOTHING!
It seems that now, with these traffic cams, these administrators don’t care. That’s why I’ve been scouring for more info everywhere. I saw your report & wanted to read it to see if you had any updates on how to deal with these traffic cam tickets.