Publeus wrote:
--- Consent.............. Surely an unspoken/unsigned contract. While my parents may have made the agreement for me at birth, I certainly did not accept the terms. A contract agreed upon by proxy before the age of Consent is null and void at maturity. Clearly, most prisoners/slaves don't consent. Besides, if you can sign them away, they're obviously not rights; they're privileges. That is the basis of the problem. "... inalienable rights ..." should be more than clever and deceptive marketing.
I posted about consent
HERE. Yes, the consent given on a child's behalf is void, that is until the child becomes of age and animates the contract by his actions. You can revoke the consent - "it was a
mistake"..."I call fraud"..."I was under
duress". But then you can't partake of the benefits resulting from the consent.
“Rights” is a term of art in and of itself. Natural, civil, political, inalienable, unalienable, public, private, absolute, qualified, legal, equitable, etc. are all different rights and so are their origins. The law you depose will determine to a large extent what rights you have to hold. All rights are revocable by the creator of those rights.
Those who depose their Law as the Law of God have rights, aka duties, given to them by God and are alienable by Him.
Some depose their law as the “Organic Laws” including the unanimous Declaration which recognizes unalienable rights:
“We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.
And then there are those who depose the U.S. Constitution with all its amendments as their law, claiming inalienable rights, such as the political rights mentioned in FDR’s January 11, 1944 State of the Union Address:
“This Republic had its beginning, and grew to its present strength, under the protection of certain inalienable political rights--among them the right of free speech, free press, free worship, trial by jury, freedom from unreasonable searches and seizures. They were our rights to life and liberty.
As our Nation has grown in size and stature, however--as our industrial economy expanded--these political rights proved inadequate to assure us equality in the pursuit of happiness.”
Unalienable is “the state of a thing or right which cannot be sold. The natural rights of life and liberty are unalienable.” (Bouvier’s 1856)
Inalienable “is applied to those things, the property of which cannot be lawfully transferred from one person to another. Public highways and rivers are of this kind; there are also many rights which are inalienable, as the rights of liberty, or of speech.” (Bouvier’s 1856)
There is nothing prohibiting people from waiving their rights, or converting their rights to privileges in exchange for some benefit. They just can’t sell or transfer their rights to others. And if you are part of the body politic that deposes the US Constitution as your law, your "civil" rights can be taken away via the 14th amendment "due process clause".
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Publeus wrote:................ Hail Caesar !!! .................
Nope, I do not consent.
I'll respond to other points when I have more time.
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Publeus wrote: --- Obviously, this is all academic, as the Constitution has been through a lot (What ... fourth version now? Questionable Amendments? Thousands of violations?). It has finally been suspended in most of the country with the implementation of the 'Constitution Free Zones' that have steadily merged, especially with the authorization of the Central American trucks to enter the country, thus converting every truck stop into an 'International Port' with a one hundred mile zone around it. The overlaps of all of the ports (air, water, land) combined with the one hundred mile zone within the borders has swamped the U.S. There is no Constitution here. No Law. No Bill of Rights. No Office of the President. No Legislature. (Technically. As they say, if it's not on paper, it's not real. If it's on paper, it's real, regardless of the reality.) We never were a real Constitutional Democracy, anyway. We were never meant to be. "It's a Republic, if you can keep it." Ben Franklin
................. We could not ..............
Yep, on the Federal Plane there is no rule of law, just “public policy’, the result of the merging of Common Law and Equity. It is all about State protecting its interests, and well…if you lose a right or two in the process, so be it.. A good reason to stay out of the Federal Plane, yes?
Publeus wrote: --- I just find it interesting that people point to the 13th as if............ Uninformed consent, achieved through fine print, word play, or general trickery, especially on behalf of others, seems the greatest danger. We know not what we do. Now, to even mention or question the issue invites an accusation of 'Constitutionalist!" The fact that such is considered subversive say's it all. We are Empire now, subject to a private contract. 'By using this service you agree to the terms ...' Walmart has more authority on the ground than the Feds do. Verizon endangers our freedom more than any nation. Facebook makes servitude trendy. To force compliance by requiring mandatory services and products to merely survive is blatant duress.True Government is to operate at a loss, in the provision of services, paid for by taxes. Business abhors a loss. Corporations don't provide governance, or working society. Corporations destroy societies, as the vine consumes the tree. That is the importance of regulation. What good is a car with no brakes? It's only self destructive.
I don’t know about consent being the greatest danger; I think the greatest danger is probably apathy. Very few people desire truth, for then they may have to change something. But surely you’d agree that State dangles its dainties to ensnare us into consenting to partaking of its corporate society. And because people devour the dainties, whether through will or ignorance, the corporation continues to rise, rise, rise up. Fascism at its finest. Those perpetrating the fascism, as well as those consenting to it, will suffer the same punishment. Those not consenting will likely suffer too, but it is better to suffer every wrong, than to consent to it. I pray as David, “Incline not my heart to any evil thing, to practice wicked works with men that work iniquity: and let me not eat of their dainties.” Psalm 141:4