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Re: Inventing the AIDS Virus

Post by Firestarter » Mon Oct 30, 2017 5:18 pm

I’ve found a good article; Duesberg, Koehnlein and Rasnick – The chemical bases of the various AIDS epidemics: recreational drugs, anti-viral chemotherapy and malnutrition (2003): ... emical.pdf

The big advantage of this paper, compared to Duesberg’s book already posted in this thread, is that it’s much shorter (“only” 30 pages)…
My biggest criticism on this paper is that it offers nothing new since his 1996 book. Another criticism on this paper is that the other AIDS-toxics (besides AZT) to “treat” AIDS-victims, aren’t paid enough attention to. This is also a flaw in this thread.
Below are some excerpts from the paper, which show that:
1) AIDS isn’t caused by any virus;
2) In Africa there is a correlation between malnutrition and AIDS;
3) There is a correlation between “recreational” drugs use and AIDS.
Please note that I’m not convinced that “recreational” drugs cause AIDS. Maybe drugs users can be more easily poisoned with chemical and biological weapons...
However, the plethora of AIDS diseases was not, and still is not randomly distributed even among the different risk groups (table 2). For example, Kaposi’s sarcoma was exclusively diagnosed in male homosexual risk groups using nitrite inhalants and other psychoactive drugs as aphrodisiacs (Newell et al 1984; Haverkos et al 1985; Selik et al 1987; Duesberg 1988; Haverkos and Dougherty 1988; Beral et al 1990). Bacterial pneumonia was primarily diagnosed in children from mothers using psychoactive drugs during pregnancy (Novick and Rubinstein 1987; Duesberg 1988, 1992; Centers for Disease Control and Prevention 1997). Tuberculosis and pneumonia were, and still are more prevalent in intravenous drug users and “crack” (cocaine) smokers than in other risk groups (Lerner 1989; Duesberg 1992; Duesberg and Rasnick 1998).
In sharp contrast to its US/European namesakes, the African AIDS epidemic is randomly distributed between the sexes and not restricted to behavioural risk groups (Blattner et al 1988; Duesberg 1988; World Health Organization 2001a). Hence sub-Saharan African AIDS is compatible with a random, either microbial or chemical cause.
But, only 1 in 1000 unprotected sexual contacts transmits HIV (32–34) , and only 1 of 275 US citizens is HIV-infected (29, 30), (figure 1b). Therefore, an average un-infected US citizen needs 275,000 random “sexual contacts” to get infected and spread HIV – an unlikely basis for an epidemic!
But, in the peer-reviewed literature there is not one doctor or nurse who has ever contracted AIDS (not just HIV) from the over 816,000 AIDS patients recorded in the US in 22 years (30). Not one of over ten thousand HIV researchers has contracted AIDS. Wives of hemophiliacs do not get AIDS (35). And there is no AIDS-epidemic in prostitutes (36–38). Thus AIDS is not contagious (39, 40).
According to the article “the state’s top AIDS and HIV prevention officials came up with the smoking gun of all statistics: Gay men in California who use speed are twice as likely to be HIV-positive . . .” (Heredia 2003a).
The case for malnutrition and lack of drinkable water as the common denominator and probable cause of African AIDS in the HIV-era has been made by scientific (Mims and White 1984; Seligmann et al 1984; Konotey-Ahulu 1987a, b, 1989; Fiala 1998; Oliver 2000; Stewart et al 2000; Ross 2003) and non-scientific observers (Hodgkinson 1996; Shenton 1998; Malan 2001). The non-scientific observers even include the United Nations (Namango and World Food Program of the United Nations 2001) and president Mbeki of South Africa (Cherry 2000; Gellman 2000).
For example, the Lancet published in 1993 a Canadian epidemiological study, “HIV and the etiology of AIDS”, which found that 88% of AIDS cases in a cohort of male homosexuals at risk for AIDS had used nitrite inhalants and that 75–80% of the same cohort had also used “cocaine, heroin, amphetamines, lysergic acid dimethyl amide, or methylenedioxy amphetamine” (Schechter et al 1993). One of the subjects even passed away on an “overdose” of recreational drugs during the study. In addition an undisclosed percentage (but in 1993 certainly a high percentage, see above) was also prescribed the DNA chain-terminator AZT as anti-HIV drug (Duesberg 1993a, c). Thus not a single drug-free AIDS patient was identified. But, the study concluded, “drugs and sexual activity is rejected by these data” as causes of AIDS. Nevertheless, the authors acknowledged that their study “does not rule out a role for cofactors . . .”.
A sudden 10-fold increase in the mortality of HIV-positive British hemophiliacs, right after the introduction of AZT in 1987, made scientific headlines in 1995, because the increased mortality was attributed to HIV by the authors of the study, i.e. Darby et al (1995), as well as by the editor of Nature, “More conviction on HIV and AIDS” (Maddox 1995). Even the editor of the Lancet wrote an editorial asking, “Will Duesberg now concede defeat” (Horton 1995)? Darby et al based their conclusion on the sudden 10-fold increase of the hemophiliacs’ mortality in 1987, shown in figure 5, on the facts that the increased mortality was restricted to HIVpositive hemophiliacs and that the increase was independent of the degree of hemophilia (which is inversely proportional to the life expectancy of the patient).
Moreover, the mortality of hemophiliacs was steadily decreasing since the 1970s until 1987 – despite the presence of HIV (Duesberg 1995c)! Thus the only new risk of mortality, in and after 1987, was not HIV, but AZT. Darby et al even acknowledged “treatment, by prophylaxis against P. carinii pneumonia or with zidovudine (AZT), has been widespread for HIV-infected haemophiliacs since about 1989 (more accurately since 1987)”. The editor of Nature also pointed out that, “Darby et al failed to provide full details of the drug regimen followed” (Maddox 1995). The AZT-mortality hypothesis would of course also explain why the new hemophilia mortality was independent of the severity of the hemophilia, as Darby et al observed.
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Re: Inventing the AIDS Virus

Post by Firestarter » Wed Nov 08, 2017 5:26 pm

The Epidemic Intelligence Service (EIS) has been dubbed the “medical CIA”.
It appears to me that the main objective of the EIS is to manipulate the news on health “care”.

Here you can find some of the health scares that have been promoted by the EIS, including Legionnaires’ disease, Ebola and Zika microcephaly:

For more information on Zika: ... f=21&t=426

The following PDF, “A Snapshot of public health achievements” (2015), shows some of the highlights of the EIS.
1951 - CDC establishes the EIS training program in response to the threat of biological warfare during the Korean War.
1955 - EIS officers trace 260 polio cases to unsafe vaccines made by a California pharmaceutical company (the Cutter incident). For more information on polio (vaccines): ... =21&t=1151

1964 - CDC assigns an EIS officer to work on family planning, expanding the EIS’s work to global population issues.

1976 - EIS officers help set up a field laboratory in Sierra Leone to investigate the cause of a deadly fever found in Lassa, Nigeria, in 1969. EIS officers in Zaire and Sudan investigate a mysterious fever. Of 318 people infected, 280 (90%) die; later dubbed Ebola after a nearby river.
1976 - CDC investigators with the help of more than 20 EIS officers blame the legionella bacteria for Legionnaires’ disease for the 1976 outbreak in Philadelphia. Retroactively also “outbreaks” in 1965 and 1968 are labelled Legionnaires’ disease.

1981 - An EIS officer and a Los Angeles physician publish an MMWR article describing the occurrence of Pneumocystis carinii pneumonia among a total of 5 young gay males. This “epidemic” is later called AIDS, and blamed on the magical HIV virus.
1987 - EIS officers assist health departments in conducting HIV seroprevalence surveys. This helps health officials to monitor HIV infections and evaluate, prioritise and sentence Targeted Individuals to AIDS.

2003 - More than 100 EIS officers were involved in “investigating” the Severe Acute Respiratory Syndrome (SARS) outbreak in China. I thought that communist China and the USA were sworn enemies…
2012 - CDC begins the Global Polio Eradication Initiative. EIS officers begin polio surveillance as part of CDC’s efforts, since then the incidence of paralysis in the developing world has increased considerably: ... ooklet.pdf

EIS was the brainchild of Alexander Langmuir. In 1949, the CDC was interested in expanding beyond its mandate for malaria control. Federal officials granted millions of dollars, and the first EIS class started in July 1951.
Nearly 2,000 EIS trainees occupy key positions in national and international health care. Former US Surgeon General William H. Stewart is a member, as are 2 other assistant Surgeon Generals. Jonathan Mann and Michael Merson, past and present heads of the World Health Organization's global AIDS Program, both trained with the EIS.
The New York Times’ chief medical correspondent, Lawrence Altman, is a member, like Bruce Dan, former ABC News medical editor and former senior editor of the Journal of the American Medical Association. Marvin Turck, the editor at the University of Washington'' Journal of Infectious Diseases, joined EIS in 1960.

In 1976 there were some troubles in getting the “swine flu” vaccine accepted by Congress, over some concerns of adverse effects.
Then in July 1976, in one of those strange coincidences, a group of pneumonia cases suddenly appeared in Philadelphia, days after American Legion members had returned home. On August 2, after receiving word of this outbreak, personnel in the CDC's swine-flu war room established contact with Jim Beecham, an EIS officer on assignment in the Philadelphia health department.
When the CDC personnel arrived, pre-positioned EIS members such as Beecham and top health adviser Robert Sharrar began following orders from the incoming CDC team.
With a nationwide hysteria rapidly developing, Congress quickly approved the “swine flu” vaccine. Some 50 million Americans were vaccinated over several months, producing at least 1,000 cases of severe nerve damage and paralysis, dozens of deaths, and nearly $100 million in liability claims.
Within days of the legislative approval, the EIS team finally acknowledged that the pneumonia was not related to swine flu. Later this was called Legionnaires’ disease.

In 1981, the White House was considering cutting the CDC budget by 23%, but then in one of those strange coincidences, AIDS arrived.
EIS officer Wayne Shandera, on active assignment in the Los Angeles health department, received a call from Michael Gottlieb, from the UCLA, about 4 patients with pneumocystis carinii pneumonia and serious immune deficiencies. Shandera had already heard about a 5th case. All 5 were young homosexuals; this was the official start of what later was called the Acquired Immune Deficiency Syndrome (AIDS) “epidemic”.
Shandera forwarded the data to his unofficial bosses at the CDC. New reports were trickling in of dying male homosexuals, most also suffered from a rare skin cancer known as Kaposi's sarcoma and Opportunistic Infections (KSOI). The task force that "investigated", was loaded with EIS members like Harold Jaffe and Mary Guinan.

Within just 11 days after the first report of AIDS appeared in June 1981, EIS member Donald Francis placed a telephone call to Myron Essex. Francis already “knew” that the new syndrome must be caused by a retrovirus - with a long latency period between infection and disease. Francis had already mapped out the entire future of the disease…
Any other cause than an infectious virus was completely ignored. EIS agents hunted down every heroin addict and blood transfusion recipient with illnesses, which were labelled immune deficiencies. EIS personnel scoured hospitals and monitored local health departments for patients, and within months found a handful of heroin users with opportunistic infections.
EIS member Bruce Evatt and Dale Lawrence tracked down a haemophiliac in Colorado, dying of internal bleeding, who also had pneumonia. EIS agent Harry Haverkos travelled to Florida and Haiti to find impoverished Haitians with tuberculosis. Instantly the heroin addicts, the haemophiliac, and the Haitians were all relabelled as AIDS, and the CDC trumpeted the news that AIDS had "spread" outside the homosexual community.

After Montagnier's paper on the “HIV virus” was published in 1983, Robert Gallo was pushed by the EIS to discover the same virus. He didn’t, but by April of 1984 Gallo was ready to announce having found a similar retrovirus, which he dubbed HTLV-III. By 24 April, EIS member Lawrence Altman in the New York Times named it the "AIDS virus".
In 1992, some scientists reported HIV-free AIDS cases. The unexplained AIDS cases were simply relabelled Idiopathic CD4+ Lymphocytopenia (ICL):
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Re: Inventing the AIDS Virus

Post by Firestarter » Mon Dec 11, 2017 5:24 pm

I haven’t really tried to describe what the cause of AIDS is in this thread...
I have found a 11 May 1987 article in the London Times, that shows that smallpox vaccination by the WHO could have been used to cause AIDS.
The Aids epidemic may have been triggered by the mass vaccination campaign which eradicated smallpox. The World Health Organization, which masterminded the 13-year campaign, is studying new scientific evidence suggesting that immunization with the smallpox vaccine Vaccinia awakened the unsuspected, dormant human immuno defence virus infection (HIV).

Some experts fear that in obliterating one disease, another disease was transformed from a minor endemic illness of the Third World into the current pandemic. While doctors now accept that Vaccinia can activate other viruses, they are divided about whether it was the main catalyst to the Aids epidemic.

But an adviser to WHO who disclosed the problem, told The Times: 'I thought it was just a coincidence until we studied the latest findings about the reactions which can be caused by Vaccinia. Now I believe the smallpox vaccine theory is the explanation to the explosion of Aids.' 'In obliterating one disease, another was transformed.'

Further evidence comes from the Walter Reed Army Medical Centre in Washington. While smallpox vaccine is no longer kept for public health purposes, new recruits to the American armed services are immunized as a precaution against possible biological warfare. Routine vaccination of a 19-year-old recruit was the trigger for stimulation of dormant HIV virus into Aids.

This discovery of how people with subclinical HIV infection are at risk of rapid development of Aids as a vaccine-induced disease was made by a medical team working with Dr Robert Redfield at Walter Reed. The recruit who developed Aids after vaccination had been healthy throughout high school. He was given multiple immunizations, followed by his first smallpox vaccination.

Two and a half weeks later he developed fever, headaches, neck stiffness and night sweats. Three weeks later he was admitted to Walter Reed suffering from meningitis and rapidly developed further symptoms of Aids and died after responding for a short time to treatment. There was no evidence that the recruit had been involved in any homosexual activity.

In describing their discovery in a paper published in the New England Journal of Medicine a fortnight ago, the Walter Reed team gave a warning against a plan to use modified versions of the smallpox vaccine to combat other diseases in developing countries.

The smallpox vaccine theory would account for the position of each of the seven Central African states which top the league table of most-affected countries; why Brazil became the most afflicted Latin American country; and how Haiti became the route for the spread of Aids to the US. It also provides an explanation of how the infection was spread more evenly between males and females in Africa than in the West and why there is less sign of infection among five to 11-year-olds in Central Africa.

Although no detailed figures are available, WHO information indicated that the Aids league table of Central Africa matches the concentration of vaccinations. The greatest spread of HIV infection coincides with the most intense immunization programmes, with the number of people immunised being as follows: Zaire 36,878,000; Zambia 19,060,000; Tanzania 14,972,000; Uganda 11,616,000; Malawai 8,118,000; Ruanda 3,382,000 and Burundi 3,274,000.

Brazil, the only South American country covered in the eradication campaign, has the highest incidence of Aids in that region.
About 14,000 Haitians, on United Nations secondment to Central Africa, were covered in the campaign. They began to return home at a time when Haiti had become a popular playground for San Francisco homosexuals.
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I’ve searched for the Robert Redfield “scientific” report that was referred to in the article, but couldn’t find a freely viewable version – Redfield et al – Disseminated Vaccinia in a Military Recruit with Human Immunodeficiency Virus (HIV) Disease (1987): ... 3123161106
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AIDS-treatment – Trioxidal and Interferon

Post by Firestarter » Mon Jun 04, 2018 5:05 pm

I’ve found 2 stories on supposed “cures” for AIDS – Trioxidal and Interferon.
I have a hard time believing in “miracle drugs” though...

Robert Vesco bought IOS in 1970 for less than $5 million, and looted it of $220 million in funds.

After he escaped the US to evade the charges brought against him, he first settled in Costa Rica, where he invested some $11 million to become “friends” with President José Figueres.
Vesco also befriended nephew of President Richard M. Nixon, Donald A. Nixon Jr., and gave $200,000 to the Nixon campaign illegally through US Commerce Secretary and chief fund-raiser Maurice Stans.
In 1978, Vesco was forced to leave for the Bahamas.
In the years that followed he hop scotched to several countries, including Antigua and Nicaragua, before settling in Cuba in 1982.

Vesco eventually became an enemy of the Castro government, when he was accused of defrauding a state-run biotechnology laboratory in a project that involved Donald Nixon, and sentenced to 13 years. This was about the production of the miracle medicine Trioxidal (TX) that would cure cancer, AIDS, arthritis and even the common cold.
TX is illegal in the US. They worked on TX at the Labiofam plant; its president is Gloria Castro (a relative of Fidel's) and Fragga Castro (Fidel's nephew): ... 91664.html
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I couldn’t find more information on Trioxidal...

In 1992, the US National Institutes of Health (NIH) announced that it would test the AIDS-drug interferon, because of the common believe within the black community that it’s a cure for AIDS.
The study included several hundred patients treated with low doses of interferon.

Physicians, who prescribe interferon in low doses, reported that it makes HIV-positive people “feel better”.
Other drugs like Immuviron and the similar Kemron were also used in the US black community for years.

An important advocate for interferon is Abdul Alim Mohammad, medical director of a non-profit organisation affiliated with the Nation of Islam.
Interferon, was formerly marketed under the name Immunex and in 1992 renamed as Immuviron – sold for about $1,500 for a six-month supply.
Mohammad said in an interview:
We talked to physicians, patients and the like. We were really convinced after 10 days that it was very effective.

In 1992, interferon was approved by the FDA for several diseases, including a rare form of leukaemia and Kaposi's sarcoma, a type of cancer that afflicts many AIDS patients.
In these treatments interferon is taken by injection in large, expensive doses, costing up to $270 per day for treatment: ... be594a60f4

There is a lot more interesting information on interferon, but unfortunately I didn’t find a single placebo controlled trial on the treatment of AIDS-victims.

There’s even a Hollywood movie about AIDS-victim Ron Woodroof that found out that AZT is highly toxic and looked for alternative treatment (including interferon) that he sold to other AIDS-victims – Dallas Buyers Club (2013).
Woodroof got into legal problems with the US FDA. Woodroof died in 1992, which was 7 years later than the doctors first predicted.
Woodroof himself chose Peptide T for AIDS-treatment.

The state media understandably criticised the film for endorsing “pseudoscience” (as opposed to the proven deadly toxicity of AZT?).
They invented new characters for the movie to advertise the LGBT-agenda:

The reason why interferon is interesting is that there is a reported relation with HIV and AZT-poisoning, while interferon is an accepted therapy for HIV-positive victims with Kaposi’s sarcoma and Hepatitis B and C.
The FDA first approved interferon alpha for the treatment of hepatitis C in 1991.

Interferon is produced in response to viral infections as a first line of defence and also has widespread effects on the immune system.
Interferon was found in abundance in HIV-positive victims. It seems illogical that injecting them with large amounts of interferon, when they already had more than enough, would benefit them.

AZT removes interferon from the body in the first week on AZT, and reappears promptly when AZT is discontinued.
Some of the adverse effects of interferon are actually quite similar to the reported effects of AIDS: 1) CD4 loss; 2) leucopoenia; 3) low white and red blood counts; 4) high beta2microglobulin counts; 5) an increase in serum triglycerides:
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Interferon can have serious adverse effects.
Interferon can increase zidovudine's effectiveness, so that a much lower dose of zidovudine (AZT) is needed: ... erons_used?

The following study (without placebo) claims that some 1/3 of the AIDS-victims with Kaposi's sarcoma benefitted (had a positive “response”) from interferon treatment:
Overall, 36 (35%) of 103 evaluable patients had either a complete (1 1 patients) or partial (25 patients) response to interferon alfa-2b. The respective response rates of the low-, intermediate-, and high-dose groups were 33%, 28%, and 45%. However, these groups were not evenly balanced for known prognostic factors.

Volberding et al – Treatment of Kaposi’s sarcoma with interferon alpha-2b (Intron A) (1987): ... 0.CO%3B2-5

My summary of this post is that I found absolutely no information on Trioxidal to know if it has any (positive or negative) effect on AIDS.
It looks to me that interferon is not some magical AIDS-cure, but understanding how it works could be the key to understanding the disease.
Isn’t it strange that when HIV was found in AIDS-victims, the pharmaceutical establishment claimed it to be the cause of AIDS, but the role of interferon is unknown to most of us?
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AIDS - Montagnier, Medavoy

Post by Firestarter » Fri Jun 29, 2018 5:13 pm

I’ve found an interview between Jon Rappoport and “Ellis Medavoy”. The problem is that “Ellis Medavoy” is a pseudonym, so we have to believe Rappoport that it’s real. I do believe that Rappoport is for “real”, but have doubts on “Ellis Medavoy”.
The reason that I post a link to the description of the interview with “Medavoy” is that the narrative fits what happened in the 1980s with AIDS. I don’t believe that Rappoport could have made this up even if he tried...

Since 1987, Rappoport repeatedly talked to “Ellis”, who told him he was one of the spin doctors influencing the press with (false) information on AIDS that has since become the official story. “Ellis” said he quit because he saw that he was a pawn in a vast depopulation effort.
“Ellis” said:
When I got this assignment. I knew I was in some very important territory. The world was going to be told a lie, and they were supposed to believe that lie. Civilians, doctors, researchers, politicians - they all had to swallow the propaganda.

In 1983, a year before HIV (aka HTLV-III) was announced to the world as the official cause of AIDS, “Ellis” already knew that Robert Gallo would be the messenger for "some kind of retrovirus that would be said to be the driving force behind a global plague".
Gallo was selected for this task because they knew he would stop at nothing to become rich and famous.

In the spring of 1987, “Ellis” was informed that Peter Duesberg was a threat to the official story on AIDS. Duesberg argued that if the blood test to determine of somebody was HIV-positive found antibodies it would be unlikely that HIV would harm the patients. Based on this story it would be impossible to develop a vaccine against AIDS that would produce the same antibodies.
Duesberg's principal ally at the time was Harvey Bialy, the research editor of Bio/Technology, a sister publication of Nature.
Phillip Johnson not only agreed with Duesberg, but was better at presenting the arguments against HIV in speaking forums.

Arguably even more dangerous were the stories of people diagnosed as HIV-positive or even "full-blown AIDS" who were surviving quite well. They were rejecting the whole HIV story, stayed away from AZT, were exercising more, changed their diets and stopped taking drugs. These people were living testimonials that they could heal without big pharma and "doctors".
"Ellis" said:
A lot of what we did at this point was stop things from getting into print. That's often more important than planting lies. As far as Duesberg was concerned, I can tell you there were many newspapers and magazines who were ready to give his views some space. You know, maverick scientist rejects HIV as cause of AIDS.
So we began a coordinated effort to keep that from happening. We let the scientists at NIH, who had the most to lose if Duesberg could establish a credible beachhead, handle the PR on rejecting Duesberg's science. They engaged in some character assassination as well, which was fine. We, on the other side, got 'reliable sources' to go to those newspapers and magazines and tell them that to print anything good about Duesberg was DANGEROUS and IRRESPONSIBLE. That was our tack.

AIDS is a label given to a whole variety of disease conditions not caused by HIV in any way, direct or indirect. Immune suppression can be caused by all of the following: contaminated heroin; medical drugs (like corticosteroids); starvation; contaminated water; pesticides; intestinal parasites over treated with antibiotics; syphilis; massive drug taking (MDA) combined with many sex partners; vaccines given to people with weak immune systems.
Here’s probably the most interesting quote from “Ellis” (I don’t think this was in this thread already):
These operatives knew, and had been briefed on this, that T-cells could actually vary all over the place, up and down, depending on factors like the time of day a person was given the test. It was another area of shoddy science, and they took advantage of it. I'll give you an example.
You've got some guy who has been told he's HIV positive, and so, even though he's not sick at all, he gets tested every few months for numbers of T-cells. Sooner or later, those numbers will go down on a test. If the doctor isn't really attentive, he'll tell the patient he is now officially diagnosed with full-blown AIDS, because those numbers are too low. If the patient hasn't been taking AZT yet, he will go for it now.
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Firestarter wrote:
Mon Nov 21, 2016 9:46 am
Even Montagnier is convinced that HIV alone doesn’t cause AIDS.
Luc Montagnier won the 2008 Nobel Prize for discovering HIV.
In 2009, Montagnier made some statements in the "House of Numbers" documentary in an interview with Brent Leung - shocking because they come from one of the 2 men most credited with inventing that HIV causes AIDS.

Montagnier explains that it isn’t only HIV that causes AIDS as people with a good immune system can deal with HIV, and names some “co-factors” that (also cause AIDS), like:
Oxidative stress;
Contaminated water;
Bad nutrition.

If I understand correctly Montagnier claims that HIV is one of many factors that can cause AIDS; so he only tells part of the truth.
Montagnier doesn’t believe that any vaccine can prevent AIDS.
Here is an extract from the interview (6:52).

Here’s the complete interview that shows that these statements weren’t taken out of context (1:02:04):

See some quotes from the interview:
Leung: You talked about oxidative stress earlier. Is treating oxidative stress one of the best ways to deal with the African AIDS epidemic?
Montagnier: I think this is one way to approach, to decrease the rate of transmission, because I believe HIV we can be exposed to HIV many times without bring chronically infected, our immune system will get rid of the virus within a few weeks, if you have a good immune system; and this is the problem also of the African people.
Their nutrition is not very equilibrated, they are in oxidative stress, even if they are not infected with HIV; so their immune system doesn't work well already. So it's prone, it can, you know, allow HIV to get in and persist. So there are many ways which are not the vaccine, the magic name, the vaccine, many ways to decrease the transmission just by simple measures of nutrition, giving antioxidants - proper antioxidants - hygiene measures, fighting the other infections.
So they are not spectacular, but they could, you know, decrease very well the epidemic, to the level they are in occidental countries, western countries.

Leung: So if you have a good immune system, then your body can naturally get rid of HIV?
Montagnier: Yes.

Leung: Oh, interesting. Do you think we should have more of a push for antioxidants, and things of that nature, in Africa than antiretrovirals (AIDS drugs)?
Montagnier: We should push for more, you know, a combination of measures; antioxidants, nutrition advice, nutritions, fighting other infections - malaria, tuberculosis, parasitosis, worms - education of course, genital hygiene for women and men also, very simple measures which [are] not very expensive, but which could do a lot.
And this is my, actually my worry about the many spectacular action for the global funds to buy drugs and so on, and Bill Gates and so on, for the vaccine.
But you know those kind of measures are not very well funded, they're not funded at all, or they are, you know, it really depends on the local government to take choice of this, but local governments they take advice of the scientific advisors from the intelligent institutions, and they don't get this kind of advice very often.

Leung: Well there's no money in nutrition, right? There's no profit.
Montagnier: There's no profit, yes. Water is important. Water is key.
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AIDS – Pre-Exposure Prophylaxis (PrEP)

Post by Firestarter » Thu Jul 05, 2018 5:20 pm

After the highly toxic AZT was quickly approved for an AIDS-medicine, it was also quickly advised for HIV-positive victims, without any symptoms of AIDS.
We have really come full circle as in 2018 the ARV Pre-Exposure Prophylaxis (PrEP) is pushed for HIV-negative promiscuous gays (and some other “high-risk” individuals)…

PrEP was first a treatment for HIV-positive victims, but now this PrEP (a blue pill sold as Truvada) has become the miracle drug that will prevent HIV-infections. PrEP is now instead ONLY given to HIV-negative people and NOT to HIV-positive victims. This requires an HIV-test (get your test now!)…
Following The Matrix movie from 1999, the blue pill represents “blissfull ignorance”!
I haven’t found a single story that tries to explain how PrEP could prevent an infection with the (magical) HIV “virus”.
I neither have found any good story that exposes PrEP for the fraud it is (besides stories on adverse effects).

It is claimed that when promiscuous gays take PrEP daily it is almost 100% effective in preventing an HIV-positive test.
Because of the fake story that HIV causes AIDS, not a single trial on PrEP has been done to see if it prevents AIDS (but instead only if it prevents HIV-positive tests)…

The following 2016 report is the “best“ scientific-looking on PrEP that I found.
No placebo was used, so the trial is worthless…

They took 544 HIV-negative gay men who had anal intercourse without a condom in the previous 90 days. About half of them got the daily PrEP tenofovir disoproxil fumarate and emtricitabine and the others nothing (for “control”).

The participants were enrolled between 29 November 2012 and 30 April 2014. Based on early “evidence” of effectiveness, the trial steering committee quickly recommended on 13 October 2014, that all participants would get PrEP, effectively stopping the evaluation of PrEP. Just like the AZT trials…

The “evidence” was that only 3 subjects in the group on PrEP got an HIV-positive test versus 20 in the “control” group. HIV-positive was decided based on the (unreliable) HIV antigen–antibody test. Although they were also tested with the HIV RNA test, these results were ignored for some (unexplained) reason...
There were 28 adverse events caused by PrEP, the most common: nausea, headache, and arthralgia.

Sheena McCormack – Pre-exposure prophylaxis to prevent the acquisition of HIV-1 infection (PROUD): effectiveness results from the pilot phase of a pragmatic open-label randomised trial (2016):

I’ve found an interesting literature review that has a lot of information on AIDS from AIDS-whistleblowers.
It includes information that shows that HIV tests aren’t reliable, which automatically discredits the “scientific” evidence that PrEP prevents an HIV-infection (not even counting that HIV doesn’t cause AIDS)…

In 1996, Johnson reported more than 60 factors that can cause a false-positive HIV-positive test result.
No fewer than 5 different criteria have been used by different groups in the US to decide if somebody is HIV-positive. The criteria for a HIV-positive test are p41 and p24, protein–antigens that are found in the blood of “healthy individuals”. This means that criteria used to “flag” the presence of HIV aren’t “specific to HIV or AIDS patients [and] p24 and p41 are not even specific to illness”. In other words, healthy victims can test HIV-positive but without ever being “infected” by HIV...

There are significant differences worldwide in how the test results are interpreted. If someone tests positive for p160 and p120 he/she would be sentenced as HIV-positive in Africa, but not in Britain. On the other hand a test reaction to p41, p32, and p24 would be considered HIV-positive in Britain, but negative in Africa.
Celia Farber comment cynically:
… a person could revert to being HIV-negative simply by buying a plane ticket from Uganda to Australia.

In 2010, the scientist Etienne de Harven added to the debate that none of the images of particles supposedly representing HIV ever show HIV-particles coming from an AIDS-patient.

Kay Mullis, who won the 1993 Nobel Prize for chemistry for inventing PCR for detecting DNA, explained that PCR couldn’t be used to test for HIV:
these tests cannot detect free, infectious viruses at all; they can only detect proteins that are believed, in some cases wrongly, to be unique to HIV. The tests can detect genetic sequences of viruses, but not viruses themselves.

According to Mullis, AIDS is caused by “system overloads”, maybe the result of a “chain reaction”. His hypothesis assumes that AIDS is caused by: “
an overwhelming number of distinct organisms, which causes the immune dysfunction. These may individually be harmless.

Patricia Goodson – Questioning the HIV-AIDS Hypothesis: 30 Years of Dissent (2014):
(archived here:

The following video shows Dr. Biswaroop Roy Chowdhury, who explains that HIV doesn’t cause AIDS.
Like Robert Willner some 25 years ago, Chowdhury is prepared to inject himself with the blood of somebody sentenced to HIV-positive status...
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Re: Inventing the AIDS Virus

Post by Firestarter » Thu Jul 12, 2018 3:46 pm

When looking for information on PrEP I found an article on the HIV/AIDS sham from December 2016. It’s more of a journalistic piece than “scientific”…

Just like for vaccines, new AIDS therapies are exempted from proper placebo controlled trials.
Antiretroviral trials are usually performed without a placebo for controls.

Matt Irwin explained the unreliability of HIV-tests:
When [the viral load tests] are done on the serum of people considered HIV-negative, 3% to 10% of them commonly have positive viral loads, and the highest reported rate of false positive results is a remarkable 60% (HIV surrogate marker coll. group 2000). Although most cases reported have false viral loads of 10,000 or less, there have been reports of false positive viral loads as high as 100,000 copies per milliliter.
In the United States, where the prevalence of HIV is about 1 in 250 people (0.4%), a false positive rate of only 2% would still mean that random screening of the population would result in 5 false positives for every true positive, and a false positive rate of 10% would result in 25 false positives for every true positive. The most likely explanation for this high false positive rate is that HIV-RNA assays commonly react with non-HIV RNA, such as that produced by normal human cells and other microbes.
In 2015, nearly 16 million HIV-positive people were treated, compared to 9.7 million in late 2012 (worldwide)! This isn’t caused by a huge increase in the number of HIV-positive people, but by the efforts of health authorities to poison the victims from the first time they have been sentenced to HIV-positive status.

A 2005 study showed that HIV-positive victims poisoned with HAART therapy suffered from:
deaths related to end stage liver disease were more common than deaths from opportunistic infections… Hospitalizations for lactic acidosis, reconstitution syndromes and late stage complications related to HAART were becoming more apparent. Some authors also noted an increase in mortality and hospital admission rate as the HAART era progressed.
It’s highly likely that at least some of these “symptoms” were the direct result of the HAART therapy.

Bertrand, who was sentenced to be HIV-positive 7 years earlier, refused the AIDS-treatment.
They tried to make him paranoid by telling him that his “viral load” was around 250,000 copies which caused him to “freak out”. Despite the unfavourable forecasts of the doctors his “viral load” spontaneously fell to 11,500; it has never stabilised, oscillating around a “load” of some 40,000 copies.
Bertrand also noted variations in his T-cell (CD4) count:
Over the tests, I was able to notice significant variation in my count, without an apparent link to my health. It had already gone down to 220 CD4, and then it rose up naturally. On average, it would yo-yo around 350, without ever exceeding 500.

Parents thought they could outsmart big pharma and stopped poisoning their HIV-positive son with the ARV. Suddenly their son got better and his CD4 and viral loads became much better according to the medical quacks.
One day the medical “doctors” found out that the boy had no “medication” in his blood. The parents were reported to the Child Protection Court and their parental rights were restricted. From then on they were controlled by a doctor that kept poisoning the child.

There are no reliable statistics on the number of HIV-positive victims, who refuse triple therapy.
This makes it impossible to know how many HIV-positive victims stay healthy without the “benefit” of antiretroviral therapy: ... hy?lang=en
(archived here:

According to the state propaganda, the magical HIV virus (also) causes HIV-associated dementia (a.k.a. AIDS dementia complex).
It’s even claimed that highly active antiretroviral therapy (HAART) prevents dementia:

I didn’t find information that confirms that AIDS-therapy causes dementia...

It’s an established “fact” that (in the “developed” world) heavy drug users are at a high risk to get AIDS.
I’ve found some lists on causes of dementia, this includes drugs and alcohol, and:
Anti-anxiety and Sleeping-Pill Medications; Anticholinergics; Anticonvulsants;
Antidepressants; Antihistamines; Antiparkinson Drugs;
Cardiovascular Drugs; Chemotherapeutic Agents; Cortiosteroids;
Non-benzodiazepine Sedatives; Statins: ... c-dementia

It’s also “established” that many Africans suffer from AIDS. In Africa a relatively large amount of people suffer from malnutrition. Nutritional deficiencies can also cause dementia, in particular:
Thiamine (a.k.a. vitamin B-1), deficiency is common in alcoholics;
Vitamin B-6;
Vitamin B-12;
Basic water: ... ficiencies

The following study shows that vitamin B9 (a.k.a. folate, folic acid and folacin) significantly reduce the risk of dementia.
Sophie Lefèvre-Arbogast et al – Dietary B Vitamins and a 10-Year Risk of Dementia in Older Persons (2016):

Regular physical activity (sports) also reduces the risk of dementia:
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AIDS – Mikovits: retroviruses in vaccines

Post by Firestarter » Sat Oct 20, 2018 4:42 pm

This could be THE single most shocking “medical” story that I’ve heard all year...

Molecular biologist Judy Anne Mikovits was part of a scientific team that discovered xenotropic murine leukemia virus (XMRV) in many of the study subjects with cancer, motor-neuron disorders and Chronic Fatigue Syndrome (CFS).
In 2009, the team published this study, which understandably got very controversial. The team concluded that the XMRV retrovirus came from mice. This was probably caused by contaminated vaccines.

In October 2011, Mikovits was fired was subsequently arrested on 18 November, because she wouldn’t admit that her 2009 paper was a fraud for manipulation of data and theft (of her own notebooks).
The criminal charges against her were dismissed.

The paper was retracted 23 December 2011, with the excuse that the mouse retroviruses they found weren’t in the human blood, but were contaminants (which is unlikely):

Following is a transcript of an interview of Judy Mikovits by Wendy Myers.

They found retroviruses, similar to HIV, in patients with chronic fatigue Syndrome, which must have come in their bloodstream by vaccines.
A lot of diseases are caused by these mouse retroviruses, including AIDS and cancer.
In 2009, we published a paper showing retroviruses, viruses similar to HIV, were being isolated. We isolated them from patients with the disease also from their family members, also from people with cancer and autism.
And so these retroviruses now, HIV/AIDS-like viruses, are causing even worse than HIV/AIDS. They're causing these diseases which destroy your immune system and your brain, and the worst part about it is you don't die. You simply suffer for decades with no brain, in horrible pain, can't sleep, can't think, can't work. And the government had basically been calling these people crazy, because you look fine. You look pretty like you and me sitting here. And everybody says, "Oh, she can't be sick.”

Yeah, yeah, yeah. So we wrote the book Plague. Kent Heckenlively is a former attorney, and he had an injured daughter, a severely vaccineinjured daughter, in one of our family studies isolating these HIV/AIDSlike viruses. Well, my colleagues from HIV and the National Cancer Institute were all working with us at the Whittemore Peterson Institute, and they were finding a much bigger incidence of these viruses. And they're mouse viruses, so they're related to mice. They're mice endogenous retroviruses that have jumped into people, and that's how they cause disease. The HIV-like virus came from monkeys into people.
And one of my colleagues from HIV wrote a paper in January of 2011 and said, "The most likely way that mouse viruses got into human is vaccines and biological therapies." All of our biological therapies essentially since the early '90s or mid '80s are biological therapies that now we understood from my work and from his commentary paper were most likely entering humans from not only vaccines but our biological cancer therapies, because they're all made in mice.

So chronic fatigue syndrome is really a big closet disease. It's a shameful stigma name because in America, you can't be tired. And they do the same thing, blame the victim, and just say you're crazy, and oh, suck it up and get up and go work. And when these devastating viruses hit your brain, you're literally destroyed. So what our book does is walk through my arrest, my jailing. So it opens with my arrest. And so I get held in jail for five days without seeing a lawyer, with all of my constitutional-

On a fake charge without a warrant, without anything. I was called a fugitive from justice, but you can be a fugitive if there's no crime.

The truth is essentially every vaccine is contaminated and/or they're making them out of backbones of retroviruses. And the sad truth is that the retroviruses stay in your genome for generations, and the murine leukemia, the gammaretroviruses from mice, can infect stem cells. So generations, grandma can have MECFS, and child can get it from grandma, inherit the sequence, and then the vaccines amplify it because there are many, many more viruses in there. Because the retroviruses, you don't have to have the particle, you just have the sequence. So anywhere there is animal cell line or cellular material, the sequence is only 8000 base pairs. It's called a provirus. And the provirus needs your cells in order to make a particle and be infectious and transmissible, and that's a really important part. But we're injuring literally thousands, tens of thousands, millions of base pairs of DNA in every single vaccine containing cow retroviruses, mouse retroviruses, pig retroviruses. And in fact, if you look at the CDC excipient list for the RotaTeq, the RotaTeq vaccine. They list two pig retroviruses in there, and they say, "Oh, but they don't do anything to humans." By definition, if you inject an animal retrovirus in a human, and it is expressed, it will hurt you.

Well, it's interesting, because we all have retroviruses that are immune system has crippled. They're called endogenous retroviruses, so they're not infectious and transmissible. And so meaning they're just silenced, and your immune system has kept them silent. And you have to keep them silent. So really it becomes a big conundrum. You don't want to test and say, "Do I have a retrovirus?" We know that you have lots of retroviruses, and there are pieces and parts and components of those retroviruses in every vaccine. And what we've learned now is you don't have to have an infectious retrovirus, just the components, just the pieces and parts, just the envelope gene, and the glyphosate in vaccines, or the mercury, or the aluminum that actually cripple the parts of the immune system that keep them silent. So it's literally a time bomb because we all have retroviruses, but mine are silent. Mine aren't turned on, because I'm 60 years old, and most 60-year-olds only got two vaccines. So it's not just a vaccine, it's the shear numbers of these things. And it's not just the components and the retroviral elements in the vaccines, it's the mercury. Because every time you get one, it's like throwing gasoline on a fire. So the kids get sicker and sicker and sicker.

Mikovits also discovered that her superiors were committing fraud.
Yes. And I also uncovered that my supervisors were misappropriating federal funds, and they were also selling al diagnostic test that hadn't been properly validated for the family of viruses. And so I discovered this huge criminal ring surrounding the University of Nevada, Harry Reid, Harvey Whittemore. And basically, they were using this discovery.
Harvey Whittemore had been embezzling money from his business partners, and they caught him. And they were threatening to kill him

And he had lied to the FBI about a election fraud with regard to Harry Reid, so Harry Reid wasn't actually legally elected. And they were paying people basically to donate to his campaign. So lots of other things going on there. And I had discovered this. In late August and early September, I discovered the scientific fraud and the misappropriation of federal funds by actually the first author on our paper, who was basically taking the money out of the research lab and putting it in the company, which is a big, big no-no, and not doing his job. And he was being paid for it. And so they were taking our data and using it.

AIDS couldn’t have been caused by HIV.
So the hope, and that's why we put the story in the book about Magic Johnson, because my PhD thesis, the dogma at the time I was doing my research, was that all our therapies in HIV were made towards the T-cell. And it was let yourself get sicker and sicker and don't use these dangerous drugs, because they're too dangerous, and they'll kill you.
Well, what my research showed we knew only one in 10,000 T-cells was infected. And I said something else is the orchestrator. So the orchestrator of the disease turned out to be the macrophage, the brain microglia, and what's the biggest damage from aluminum? The brain microglia, the macrophages all over your body. You have different microglia, different macrophage subsets that do different specialized things. Like fatty liver is our microglia in our liver, the Kupffer cells getting sick. And that's all the toxins, all the poisons, things like that.

I believe that there is only one way to keep ourselves mentally and physically healthy:
Good nutrition;
Keep away from toxics;
Regular exercise.
I don’t believe in wonder medicines, but in preventing disease instead, but Suramin is probably better that the AIDS drugs that are used these days.
Mikovits claims that Suramin is a cure for autism, but Bayern took it away from the kids.
Well, as natural products. So you can use teas. You can use herbs. You can use 100-year old Bayer drug called suramin, S-U-R-A-M-I-N, and that drug is 100-year-old drug, and we know how to use it safely. And so an investigator, and I won't use his name, in San Diego, did a small clinical trial in autism with suramin used properly.
We used to do a lot of research in the early '80s. It was one of our first HIV drugs. We pulled everything off the shelf that made sense that might work. And so suramin actually was curative for autism. And Bayer, the drug company, took it away from the kids. You cannot get it. It can heal these kids like Kent Heckenlively's daughter who hasn't spoke a word and is desperately I'll. She looks like an AIDS patient, because that's what she is. And he can't get the drug. And so this just happened in the last year. So our book is revealing when you cure a disease, you know what caused it.

And so suramin was actually the reason why we didn't use it in HIV is what did it work best on? Oh, the gammaretroviruses from mice. The retroviruses that we found from mice. And so HIV is a different family of viruses, so the suramin drug worked best on the family of viruses we isolated and discovered associated with all of these diseases.
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This isn’t the first time that I hear that AIDS is caused by vaccines. It could very well be that repeatedly injecting retroviruses in the human body through vaccines could slowly but surely weaken your immune system.

According to Leonard Horrowitz, in 1978 promiscuous homosexuals in New York, Los Angeles and San Francisco were injected with a hepatitis B vaccine through the Centers for Disease Control/New York Blood Center and George W. Merck’s pharmaceutical company.
This vaccine was really a “Trojan horse” that made these gay men develop what was called AIDS. According to Horrowitz this was done intentionally. It were these gay men that were the first AIDS cases that were reported in 1981...

The following interview with Judy Mikovits is a great summary of what she has to say (12:15).

Here’s a longer interview with Judy Mikovits (1:08:25):

Following is the retracted 2009 study.
Of the 101 test subjects with Chronic Fatigue Syndrome (CFS) that were analysed, 68 (67%) contained XMRV.
XMRV was only found in the blood of 8 out of 218 (3.7%) healthy people.
They verified that it was highly improbable that they had detected a laboratory contaminant.

The XMRV sequences were more than 99% similar to those previously reported for strains of XMRV in prostate cancer tumours.
The XMRV sequences were very similar to mouse strains.

After infecting T and B cells with XMRV, it was found that the cells of the CFS patients reacted differently to the XMRV than the (blood of) healthy individuals.
These results make it more probable that the immune response of the CFS patients to XMRV is different than for healthy people.

J.A. Mikovits et al. – Detection of an Infectious Retrovirus, XMRV, in Blood Cells of Patients with Chronic Fatigue Syndrome (2009): ... e_syndrome

Following is a later 2010 article in which Mikovits defends the earlier 2009 study.
They detected XMRV in more than 75% of 101 patients with CFS by 5 different methods.
It is simply not possible that the blood samples used were contaminated with mouse retroviruses as the WPI and NCI labs where the analysis with PCR was done had never worked with mouse tissues.

J.A. Mikovits et al. – Detection of an Infectious Retrovirus, XMRV, in Blood Cells of Patients with Chronic Fatigue Syndrome (2010):

In 2014, Mikovits co-authored, "Plague: One Scientist’s Intrepid Search for the Truth about Human Retroviruses and Chronic Fatigue Syndrome" with Kent Heckenlively.
Following is an article written by Heckenlively to promote the book,

In 2012, a group headed by Ian Lipkin came to the conclusion that there is no association between XMRV and patients with chronic fatigue syndrome (ME/CFS).
In a strange twist, they excluded patients with the following conditions: 1) HIV virus; 2) Hepatitis B or C virus; 3) Treponema pallidium (tapeworm); 4) B. burgdorfieri (Lyme disease spirochete); 5) Illness associated with fatigue; 6) Abnormal serum characteristics; 7; Abnormal thyroid functions.
There were no good objective reasons to exclude these “kind” of people. Micro-biologist Gerwyn Morris explained that this is like "looking for HIV, but excluding homosexual males, IV drug users, and those who'd received a blood transfusion". So they intentionally manipulated the study...

In 2013, Lipkin said in a public conference call with CDC that they found retroviruses in 85% of the sample pools but didn’t know whether this 85% is “clinically significant or not”.
This manipulated study was used to do no follow-up research on the findings of Mikovits and her team of scientists: ... -must-read
(archived here:

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