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Re: The fight against Newspeak

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notmartha wrote: Fri Jan 18, 2019 1:19 pmAs discussed in previous posts, the “Three” Wise Men came from the “east,” traditionally held as Persia. Here is a painting of “Three Wise Men” wearing Mithras caps, displayed at Basilica of Sant' Apollinare Nuovo in Ravenna, Italy.

The reported 3 Magi (wise men) from the East: Balthasar, Melchior and Caspar (a.k.a. Casper of Gasper).
Alternately they were called Bithisarea, Melichior and Gathasp.

Subsequent traditions embellished the narrative. In the 3rd century the magi were considered to be kings.
In Western churches, Balthasar is often represented as a king of Arabia or Ethiopia, Melchior as a king of Persia, and Gaspar as a king of India.

The Adoration of the Magi became one of the most popular themes in Christian art, the first known painting on the subject is the fresco in the Priscilla Catacomb of Rome from the 2nd century.

Eastern tradition sets the number of Magi at 12, “based” on the number of gifts:
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notmartha wrote: Fri Jan 18, 2019 1:19 pmMithras is almost always pictured wearing a Mithras cap, also known as a Phrygian cap. Here is a map showing where Phrygia was located, in the Persian Empire, where Mithraism flourished. Note that the early inhabitants were the Ashkenazi.
It reminds me of the red cap (sometimes green) that “kabouters” (gnomes) wear...

notmartha wrote: Fri Jan 18, 2019 1:19 pmA lot of different connections are going to be made in this thread - Mithras, Phrygia, Phrygian cap, Ashkenazi, St. George, and more.
Do you want even more connections?!?
notmartha wrote: Fri Jan 18, 2019 1:19 pmPhrygian helmet, a form of helmet suggesting the classical Phrygian cap. This form, which Is very rare in medieval representations, is given to St. George, possibly with intention on the part of the artist to denote the Oriental origin of the saint.
Sabazios is the horseman and sky father god of the Phrygians and Thracians. Probably the god's origins are in Macedonia and Thrace.
The migrating Phrygians brought Sabazios with them to Anatolia in the early first millennium BC. One of the native religion's creatures was the Lunar Bull.

Under Roman Emperor Gordian III (of the knot?), probably from an Anatolian family, the god on horseback appears on coins minted at Tlos, in neighboring Lycia, and at Istrus, in the province of Lower Moesia, between Thrace and the Danube.
See the coin with the riding god and serpent.

The image of the god on horseback battling the chtonic serpent, on which his horse tramples, was easily transformed into the image of Saint George and the Dragon, whose earliest known depictions are from tenth- and eleventh-century Cappadocia and eleventh-century Georgia and Armenia:
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Re: The fight against Newspeak

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Firestarter wrote: Fri Jan 18, 2019 5:02 pm
Eastern tradition sets the number of Magi at 12, “based” on the number of gifts:
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There were 3 gifts mentioned in the Bible - gold, frankincense and myrrh - which is supposedly where the tradition of 3 Wise Men came from. I am not familiar with any 12 gifts.

More info on Phrygia, and yet more connections...

Flavius Josephus was an historian born c. 35 AD. In chapter 6 of his "Complete Works" he wrote of the origins of the Phrygian people:
Of the three sons of Gomer, Aschanax founded the Aschanaxians, who are now called by the Greeks Rheginians. So did Riphath found the Ripheans, now called Paphlagonians; and Thrugramma the Thrugrammeans, who, as the Greeks resolved, were named Phrygians.
So according to Flavius Josephus, the Phrygians were descendants of Togarmah, also spelled Thrugramma, the brother of Ashkenaz.

Genesis 10:1-5 (KJV) -
Now these are the generations of the sons of Noah, Shem, Ham, and Japheth: and unto them were sons born after the flood. The sons of Japheth; Gomer, and Magog, and Madai, and Javan, and Tubal, and Meshech, and Tiras. And the sons of Gomer; Ashkenaz, and Riphath, and Togarmah. And the sons of Javan; Elishah, and Tarshish, Kittim, and Dodanim. By these were the isles of the Gentiles divided in their lands; every one after his tongue, after their families, in their nations.
Some more on Togarmah:

From Parson's Bible Atlas -
Third son of Gomer, a descendant of Japheth (Genesis 10:3; 1 Chronicles 1:6). Bethtogarmah (“house of Togarmah”) appears in Ezekiel's prophecy against the nations that oppose Israel (Ezekiel 27:14; 38:6). Beth-togarmah was one of the principal trading partners of Tyre, providing war horses and mules. Since Togarmah is consistently linked with Javan, Tubal, Meshech, Dedan and Tarshish, Ezekiel probably had the ethnographic lists of Genesis 10 in mind. As an ethnographic term, most have identified Togmarah with Armenia. The Armenians identify Togmarah (Thorgon) as the founder of their race. [Baker]
From Smith's Bible Dictionary -
TOGARMAH Togar'mah, a son of Gomer, of the family of Japheth, and brother of Ashkenaz and Riphath. Gene 10:3 His descendants became a people engaged in agriculture, breeding horses and mules to be sold in Tyre. Ezek 27:14 They were also a military people, well skilled in the use of arms. Togarmah was probably the ancient name of Armenia.
Vincent's Word Studies in the New Testament, Vincent, Marvin R., 1886 contains:
Phrygia was a favorable soil for the development of error. "Cosmological speculation, mystic theosophy, religious fanaticism, all had their home there." The leading worship was that of Cybele, the great Mother of the Gods, which was spread over Asia Minor generally, and especially prevailed in Mysia and Galatia. It was orgiastic, accompanied with frenzied dances, howlings, and self-mutilations. Phrygia was also the home of Ophitism, or serpent-worship. Montanism, with its ecstasy and trance, its faith-cures, its gloomy asceticism, its passion for martyrdom, and its savage intolerance, owed to Phrygia its leader; and the earlier name of the sect was "the Sect of the Phrygians."

Under Antiochus the Great, two thousand Jewish families had been transplanted into Phrygia and Lydia; and while the staple of the church was Gentile, the epistle distinctly recognizes the presence and operation of Jewish influences (2:16-21).
Century Dictionary, says this about Ophites:
A member of a Gnostic body, of very early origin, especially prominent in the second century, and existing as late as the sixth century, its members were so called because they held that the serpent by which Eve was tempted was the impersonation of divine wisdom, the great teacher and civilizer of the human race.
Madame Helena Petrovna Blavatsky and Hitler's practice of Ophitism is discussed here:

More on the Gnostics and serpent symbol here:

More on Armenians and snake worship here:
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Sinterklaas, Santa, Odin

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I sometimes think that adults are even more gullible than children.
According to the official story (for adults): Santa Claus is based on the Dutch, Belgian Sinterklaas, who in turn was based on St. Nicholas of Myra (located in what is now called Turkey)...

I investigated the origins of Sinterklaas, Santa Claus because I saw several things that look like a connection to Mithraism:
Sinterklaas wears a red hat (mijter).
St. Nicholas comes from Turkey.
Sinterklaas rides a white horse (schimmel); like St. George.
Christmas is staged on 25 December; the day the Romans celebrated the birth day of Mithras.
In Christmas festivities the Christmas tree is central; Sabazios was often pictured with a fir-cone.

On 25 December, the Romans also held festivities for the god Saturnus (Saturnalia).

See the following image of Mithras, dressed in red, with his white horse, 4th century AD.

Compare this to Sinterklaas...
Firestarter wrote: Fri Jan 04, 2019 4:12 pmSinterklaas rides on a white horse (schimmel) and has black helpers (zwarte pieten).

In Belgium the black helpers of Sinterklaas aren’t seen as black Africans (like the “zwarte piet” in the Netherlands) but as the “oel” demons.

Also interesting is that the red “mijter” worn by Sinterklaas is really the mitra worn by the high priest, Pontifex Maximus, of Mithraism...
The mitra was originally based on the dagon hat worn by the priest in the Dagon, fish worshipping cult.

Nicholas of Myra was the the son of wealthy parents. When he was young, his parents died and his uncle, the local bishop, adopted him. Nicholas later became a priest and then also a bishop. In one of those strange coincidences, Nicholas even attended the First Council of Nicaea in 325 AD, convened by Roman Emperor Constantine, that would proclaim the Bible as the word of God.
St. Nicholas often gave gifts to the poor and died on 6 December 343 (aged 73): https://ahundredandfortycharactersisusu ... nterklaas/

What is missing in St. Nicholas is just about everything in the tale of Sinterklaas and Santa Claus.

It looks like the tale of Sinterklaas was mostly based on the Norse God Odin (the tale of Santa Claus changed his home to the North Pole). One of Odin's most popular titles is – Allfather.
Odin had a long white beard (one eye) and sometimes visited earth, in disguise, in a cloak and broad-brimmed hat or hood. See on the left an early image of Santa Claus and on the right Odin...

Most historians agree that many of our Christmas traditions come from the ancient Norse festival known as Yule or Yuletide. The Norse sang Yule carols with their children singing from door-to-door wearing masks.
Vikings in Yule decorated trees with food, gifts, and small carvings. The Christmas tree could also be a reference to the Persian Tree of life...
Loki, the god of mischief and misfortune murdered the god Baldur, with a spear made from mistletoe. The Mistletoe berries later became a symbol of love in the same story, hence the tradition of kissing under it...

Norse stories sometimes describe Odin flying through the sky on a chariot pulled by his 8-legged flying white horse Sleipnir, visiting homes in the middle of the night and leaving gifts for children in their boots by the fireplace during the Yule season. Odin also rode in a flying chariot (or sleigh) pulled by Sleipnir.
Originally Santa’s single horse pulled his sleigh. This only became 8 reindeer after “Twas the Night Before Christmas” (1823).

In anticipation of Odin’s return from the Great Hunt, the Yule, Norse children left their boots stuffed with straw by the fireplace. In the morning Odin had taken the straw and left sweets and presents in the boots.
Odin’s 2 ravens, Huginn and Muninn, were his eyes and ears and always watching the Vikings (like Mithras). Ravens also play an important role in Mithraism: ... traditions
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notmartha wrote: Sun Jan 06, 2019 1:17 pmBut now the "newspeak" definition of "crèche" is:

"a model or tableau representing the scene of Jesus Christ's birth, displayed in homes or public places at Christmas."

Another interesting tale is that Saint Francis of Assisi was the first to recreate the nativity scene of Jesus in Greccio, Italy on Christmas Eve 1223 in a cave (worshipping the birth of Mithras in a cave?).
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Odin, Thrace

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Odin is another interesting topic, but I’m not sure within the context of this thread...

Over 170 names are recorded for the Norse Odin.
In German his name was Wuotan or Wotan and in old English and Saxon Woden and Wodan.

Odin has only one eye. There are many “masonic” pictures with the one eye motto. Most of them don´t mention that this could be in reference to Odin...
Odin died either by hanging from or crucifixion on the ”world tree” (Yggdrasil). See the picture, 1895.

Mithras wore a Phyrgian cap and was accompanied by a raven, a dog and a serpent (snake).
Odin had 2 wolves and 2 ravens for companion. See a picture of Odin (I don’t know what the snake means).

See another picture of Odin, one eye, in red with a cape and a yellow sun, with 2 ravens, 18th century.

The modern English “Wednesday” comes from Old English wodnesdæg, like the Dutch “woensdag” is derived from wodensdach – Odin day. Also the Dutch “woede” (anger), is derived from Wodan (Odin):
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I found the following interesting long article (not only on Odin!)...

The Norse Trinity consisted of Odin (the father), his son Thor (who is crucified), and son of inspiration (the Holy Ghost) Freyr.
See a detail from runestone in the Swedish Museum of National Antiquities in Stockholm. The 3 men are interpreted as Odin, Thor and Freyr.

Constantine had the writings of Arius burned; that was closer to the teachings of Joshua of Nazareth than the New Testament Jesus Christ.
See Roman Emperor Constantine and the Council of Nicaea, with Arius's books burned, Italy, ca. 825.

The number 12 – zodiac signs, number of months, sons of Jacob (Israel) and apostles – dates back all the way to the Sumerians. See the following Sumerian tablet, dated 3000 BC or older.
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In one of those strange coincidences, according to the Prose Vedda (dated 9th to 12th century), Odin (Voden), the son of Fríallaf, originally came from Thrace (now Turkey), home of snake and Mithras worshipping, before moving to what is now Scandinavia.
The genealogy begins with Noah from the Tanach (Old Testament), whose ark landed in what is now Turkey: ... =ARL100252
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Constantine, Diocletianon - destroying scripture

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Thursday (donderdag in Dutch) is named after Odin´s son Thor.

Firestarter wrote: Tue Feb 05, 2019 5:45 pmConstantine had the writings of Arius burned; that was closer to the teachings of Joshua of Nazareth than the New Testament Jesus Christ.
See Roman Emperor Constantine and the Council of Nicaea, with Arius's books burned, Italy, ca. 825.
In the 8th century, the story was that Roman Emperor Constantine the Great converted to Christianity after he had been cured of leprosy: viewtopic.php?f=7&t=1093&start=20#p5786

In the 21th century, our wonderful history falsifiers think that it’s wise, as Constantine didn’t suffer from leprosy, to push another story...
This story reads, that in 312 Constantine was commanded in a dream on the eve of the battle to place the sign of Christ on the shields of his soldiers. So he chose the sign of Mithras – the cross?!?

Arius, a priest in Alexandria, taught that there was a time when Christ did not exist, so wasn’t co-eternal with the Father, and that the Son was subordinate to the Father and that the Trinity - Father, Son, and Holy Spirit – are 3 different hypostaseis. Arius’s teachings were condemned and Arius was excommunicated in 318 by a council convened by the bishop of Alexandria Alexander.

Constantine then summoned the First Ecumenical Council of the church at Nicaea that started on 20 May 325. The council formulated the Nicene Creed, including the Trinity and that the Bible is “God’s word”. Arius was condemned for his dangerous teachings.
I don’t know if according to legend, Arius “turned the other cheek” but here’s a fresco showing St Nicholas of Myra (on who supposedly Sinterklaas and Santa are based) slapping Arius in the face to stop him from talking at the First Council of Nicaea.

In a great example of Christianity, in 326 Constantine ordered the execution of his oldest son Crispus, who had come under suspicion of "being involved" with his stepmother Fausta. Later that year, soon after killing Crispus, Constantine also had Fausta, the mother of his other 3 sons, murdered: ... 06_195.htm
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St. George was reportedly executed on the orders of Roman Emperor Diocletianon 23 April 303...

The official story is that all of the books of the New Testament were written in the 1st century AD...
How could Emperor Constantine discover these scriptures as Emperor Diocletianon in 23 February 303, in the edict of Diocletian, ordered the destruction of all the scriptures of the followers of Joshua of Nazareth (where they already called Christians?).
This edict and further persecutionary edicts remained in effect until 313 when they were rescinded by Emperor Constantine.

A few years later, Roman Emperor Constantine enlisted the help of Eusebius, to create 50 copies of the entire Bible.
So these could only have been texts that weren´t of the followers of Joshua of Nazareth: ... ipture.htm

These “Christians” must have had a lot of trust in the Mithras, sun worshipping Emperor Constantine if they would turn over their guarded holy texts only a couple of years after many of them were executed for not turning them in!
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Re: Constantine, Diocletianon - destroying scripture

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Firestarter wrote: Sun Feb 17, 2019 5:34 pm
St. George was reportedly executed on the orders of Roman Emperor Diocletianon 23 April 303...
John Foxe's (1517-1587) Book of Martyrs - ... d-303.html
We shall conclude our account of the tenth and last general persecution with the death of St. George, the titular saint and patron of England. St.George was born in Cappadocia, of Christian parents; and giving proofs of his courage, was promoted in the army of the emperor Diocletian. During the persecution, St. George threw up his command, went boldly to the senate house, and avowed his being Christian, taking occasion at the same time to remonstrate against paganism, and point out the absurdity of worshipping idols. This freedom so greatly provoked the senate that St. George was ordered to be tortured, and by the emperor's orders was dragged through the streets, and beheaded the next day.

The legend of the dragon, which is associated with this martyr, is usually illustrated by representing St. George seated upon a charging horse and transfixing the monster with his spear. This fiery dragon symbolizes the devil, who was vanquished by St. George's steadfast faith in Christ, which remained unshaken in spite of torture and death.
And in the same chapter, a purported history of Constantine:
Soon after this the persecution abated in the middle parts of the empire, as well as in the west; and Providence at length began to manifest vengeance on the persecutors. Maximian endeavored to corrupt his daughter Fausta to murder Constantine her husband; which she discovered, and Constantine forced him to choose his own death, when he preferred the ignominious death of hanging after being an emperor near twenty years.

Constantine was the good and virtuous child of a good and virtuous father, born in Britain. His mother was named Helena, daughter of King Coilus. He was a most bountiful and gracious prince, having a desire to nourish learning and good arts, and did oftentimes use to read, write, and study himself. He had marvellous good success and prosperous achieving of all things he took in hand, which then was (and truly) supposed to proceed of this, for that he was so great a favorer of the Christian faith. Which faith when he had once embraced, he did ever after most devoutly and religiously reverence.

Thus Constantine, sufficiently appointed with strength of men but especially with strength of God, entered his journey coming towards Italy, which was about the last year of the persecution, A.D. 313. Maxentius, understanding of the coming of Constantine, and trusting more to his devilish art of magic than to the good will of his subjects, which he little deserved, durst not show himself out of the city, nor encounter him in the open field, but with privy garrisons laid wait for him by the way in sundry straits, as he should come; with whom Constantine had divers skirmishes, and by the power of the Lord did ever vanquish them and put them to flight.

Notwithstanding, Constantine yet was in no great comfort, but in great care and dread in his mind (approaching now near unto Rome) for the magical charms and sorceries of Maxentius, wherewith he had vanquished before Severus, sent by Galerius against him. Wherefore, being in great doubt and perplexity in himself, and revolving many things in his mind, what help he might have against the operations of his charming, Constantine, in his journey drawing toward the city, and casting up his eyes many times to heaven, in the south part, about the going down of the sun, saw a great brightness in heaven, appearing in the similitude of a cross, giving this inscription, In hoc vince, that is, "In this overcome."

Eusebius Pamphilus doth witness that he had heard the said Constantine himself oftentimes report, and also to swear this to be true and certain, which he did see with his own eyes in heaven, and also his soldiers about him. At the sight whereof when he was greatly astonished, and consulting with his men upon the meaning thereof, behold, in the night season in his sleep, Christ appeared to him with the sign of the same cross which he had seen before, bidding him to make the figuration thereof, and to carry it in his wars before him, and so should we have the victory.

Constantine so established the peace of the Church that for the space of a thousand years we read of no set persecution against the Christians, unto the time of John Wickliffe.

So happy, so glorious was this victory of Constantine, surnamed the Great! For the joy and gladness whereof, the citizens who had sent for him before, with exceeding triumph brought him into the city of Rome, where he was most honorably received, and celebrated the space of seven days together; having, moreover, in the market place, his image set up, holding in his right hand the sign of the cross, with this inscription: "With this wholesome sign, the true token of fortitude, I have rescued and delivered our city from the yoke of the tyrant."
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Minotaur, labyrinth, bull leaping

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According to Nicholas de Vere, the bull slaying scene in Mithraism is really an imitation of Theseus slaying the bull-headed Minotaur.
It also reminds me of the myth of St George slaying the dragon: viewtopic.php?p=5731#p5731

King Minos of Crete had a monster for a son, the Minotaur (half bull, half man). He also had a beautiful daughter Ariadne.
Minos shut the Minotaur in an inescapable labyrinth.

Minos fought the Athenians and forced them to give 7 boys and and 7 girls to the Minotaur every single year, 7 or 9 years.
The son of King Aegeus of Athenes, Theseus, volunteered to be one of 14 victims to kill the Minotaur.

In Crete, the madly in love Princess Ariadne helped Theseus to find his way through the labyrinth and give him a thread so he could escape it again (by tying it at the entrance of the labyrinth).

Theseus abandoned her on his return trip:

According to Nicholas de Vere, the Minotaur labyrinth was in imitation of the labyrinth in Al-Fayyum built by/for pharaoh Amenemhet III (a.k.a. Amenemmes III), who reigned 1818–1770 BC.
The labyrinth of Knossos is thought to be a later version of the temple labyrinth of Amenemhet III (ca. 1818 - 1772 bce) built at Faiyum. This was a mortuary temple complex consisting of some three thousand rooms and halls resting beneath the shadows of the Pyramid of Hawara, a name which itself is reminiscent of the ancient Sumerian Dragon Queen Hawah of Elda who was an ancestor of the builder.

The Hawara labyrinth was adorned with carvings of the dragon god Sobekh, to which the labyrinth was principally dedicated, which is not surprising when one learns that Hawara, formerly Arsinoe Ptolomais, was also named Crocodilopolis, the cultic centre of the veneration of this Egyptian dragon god of sovereignty and the protector of the royal caste, which was also the Sumaire of Sumeria and the Scythians. The 22 kings of Egypt of the XIIth dynasty met there and it is within the precincts of this palatial labyrinth that Amenehemet’s daughter, Sobekhnefru, held the Royal Dragon Court.

Although vast in size, it was not unique, as many pyramids themselves had labyrinths built into their structure. We are reminded of the nature of pyramids as sacred mountains, echoing Egypt’s cultural origin in an earlier mountainous region of Eurasia, and we will also remember the sacred hill of the Ogdoad and the links between the pyramids, raths, sidhes, tells, tepes, kurgans and ziggurats. ... t02_05.htm

Maybe the earliest “bull cult” is from Çatalhöyük (Turkey), starting around 7000 BC.
It is argued that this bull became the Taurus constellation around 5000 BC); and was used to herald in the New Year (at the spring equinox) by 4000 BC:

It looks to me like bull jumping is the origins of bull fighting…

This Fresco from Avaris, Egypt shows bull-leaping and bull-taming, 15th century BC.

Jumping over a bull was a popular sport amongst the Indus people. The following (impression of) a Banawali seal, ca. 2300 – 1700 BC shows an acrobat leaping over a bull; another seal from Mohenjo-Daro, ca. 2600 – 1900 BC shows 2 people jumping over a bull.

During the Late Bronze Age, bull-leaping and bull-taming spread to other parts of the world like Syria, and Crete.
Bull-leaping became an important part of Minoan social life (Crete) by ca. 1700 BCE. See the bull-leaping fresco at the Great Palace at Knossos, Crete, 2 men at each side of the bull, while another somersaults over the bull, ca.1450-1400 BCE.
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Moloch, Baal

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Some have argued that the Greek bull monster Minotaur was really based on the Canaanite god Moloch (a.k.a. Molech or Molekh). Moloch is usually depicted in the form of a calf, an ox, or a man with the head of a bull.

In the Old Testament Moloch, melek meaning “king, is referred to as the sacrificial god of his human sacrifice cult.
In Isaiah 57.5 it is written that the worshipper of Moloch “slay your children” (first borns?).
Leviticus 20.2-5 deals with Moloch more elaborately:
Whoever he be of the Sons of Israel or of the strangers that sojourn in Israel, that gives any of his seed Mo'lech; he shall surely be put to death: the people of the land shall stone him with stones.
And I will set my face against that man and will cut him off from among his people; because he has given of his seed Mo'lech, to defile my sanctuary, and to profane my holy name.
And if the people of the land do at all hide their eyes from that man, when he gives of his seed Mo'lech, and do not kill him, then I will set my face against that man, and against his family, and will cut him off, and all that go astray after him, whoring after Mo'lech from among the people.

Gustave Flaubert in his novel “Salammbô” (1888) created his own version of the Carthaginian religion, depicting gods such as Ba‘al Hammon, Khamon, Melkarth, Tanith and Moloch to whom the Carthaginians sacrificed children.

In 1935, German archaeologist Otto Eissfeldt argued based upon excavations in Carthage that Moloch wasn’t a “god” but refers to the act of human sacrifice itself.
If this is true a large number of Biblical interpreters have mistranslated the term.

According to the Bible, there is a close relationship between Moloch and Ba'al (some even claim that they’re one and the same). Ba'al is frequently mentioned in the Old Testament, referring to burnt offerings to Ba’al himself. See for example Jeremiah 32.35:
And they built the high places of the Ba‘al, which are in the valley of Ben-hinnom, to cause their sons and their daughters to pass through the fire Mo'lech; which I did not command them, nor did it come into my mind that they should do this abomination, to cause Judah to sin.
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Baal (a.k.a. Ba'al) was the Sacred Bull that was widely worshipped in the ancient Near East since the third millennium BC.

As the Semitic word "baal" means '"Lord" it used to refer to various deities of the Levant. In the Bible, the Canaanite god Baal is often portrayed as the primary enemy of Yahweh.
Many scholars claim Baal is the Canaanite version of the Babylonian god Marduk (a.k.a. Bel) and identical with the Assyrian deity Hadad. Modern scholars associate Baal with the northwest Semitic god El or Dagon, or the Greek Cronus.

In Canaanite lore, Baal was the ruler of Heaven, and god of the sun, rain, thunder, fertility, and agriculture. The Ras Shamra tablets, discovered in northern Syria in 1958, suggest that at one time Baal was their Supreme god.
Baal Hammon was the supreme god of the Carthaginians.
Baal-worship included sex ritual that once included Israelites.

See the Bronze figurine of Baal, 14th – 12th century BC, found at Ras Shamra near the Phoenician coast, with hand raised and a pointed cap (similar to the Mithras cap?).

According to some scholars, the early Hebrews used the names Baʿal ("Lord") and Baʿali ("My Lord") in reference to the Lord of Israel and that the worship of Yahweh and Baal may once have been indistinguishable. Others have suggesed that Yahweh and Baal were originally both thought of as sons of El.
In the first chapter of the Second Book of Kings Baʿal Zebub (Beelzebub) is used as the name of the Philistine god of Ekron.

Jeremiah 19:5 indicates that child sacrifice was offered to Baal and to other gods.
See also Hosea 11:2:
The more I called Israel, the further they went from me. They sacrificed to the Baals and they burned incense to images.
Several violent purges of Baal worshippers are mentioned in the Bible. The first of these is when the prophet Elijah and the prophets of Baal fight for control at Mount Carmel. Elijah orders the onlookers to massacre all 450 of the Baal's representatives in I Kings 18:
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I´ve always found the story on the resurrection of Jesus Christ after 3 days very strange.
Maybe I´ve watched too many horror movies, but are we supposed to believe that the resurrected Jesus Christ was more like a zombie or a ghost?!?

Celebration of the Spring equinox
In 325 AD, the sun-worshipping Roman Emperor Constantine the Great convened the Council of Nicaea that determined that Easter is on the first Sunday after the first full moon following the March equinox.
This suggests that this celebration is really about celebrating the Spring...

Descend of Inanna (Ishtar)
According to some experts, the Easter story comes from the Sumerian legend of Damuzi and his wife Inanna, described in Sumerian clay tablets dated 2100 BC. The Babylonian names for Damuzi and Inanna are Tammuz and Ishtar respectively.
When Tammuz dies, Ishtar is consumed by grief and follows him down to the Underworld. In the underworld, her worldly attire is removed, "Naked and bowed low" she is judged, killed, and then hung on display. In her absence, the earth loses its fertility, crops cease to grow and animals stop reproducing.
See a clay tablet showing the Descent of Inanna.

After Inanna has been missing for 3 days her assistant asks the other gods for help. Enki, him again, creates 2 creatures, who go to the Underworld to sprinkle Inanna and Damuzi with the plant and water of life, resurrecting them, so they can return to earth as the light of the sun for six months.
After the six months are up, Tammuz returns to the Underworld of the dead, again followed by Ishtar, forcing the water god to rescue them both. This created the cycles of winter death and spring life.

In ancient Egypt, an egg symbolised the sun, while for the Babylonians, the egg represents the hatching of the Venus Ishtar, who fell from heaven to the Euphrates.

Ostara, Eostre
Some experts claim that Easter was originally a celebration of Eostre, goddess of Spring and fertility, otherwise known as Ostara, Austra, and Eastre. This could explain the Easter bunny and possibly the Easter eggs.
The egg represents Spring, fertility and renewal.

According to Germanic mythology, Ostara healed a wounded bird she found in the woods by changing it into a hare. Still partially a bird, the hare showed its gratitude to the goddess by laying eggs as gifts.
See the depiction of Ostara by Johannes Gehrts.

What’s in a name?
The name “Easter” could mean that it’s just another celebration for the witches (magi) from the “East”.

Some say that “Easter” is a variation of the Babylonian name for Inanna – “Ishtar”.
See he Babylonian Relief of the Goddess Ishtar.

According to New Unger’s Bible Dictionary: “Easter” is of Saxon origin, derived from “Eostre” a.k.a. “Eastra”, in whose honour sacrifices were offered each year about Passover.

In Germany it is called “Ostern”.

Easter: in Bulgarian is called “Velikden” (Grand Day), in Polish “Wielkanoc” (Grand Night), in Czech “Velikonoce” (Grand Nights) and in Slovak “Velká Noc” (the Grand Night).

In Serbian “Uskrs” or “Vaskrs” (resurrection) and in Japanese “Fukkatsu-sai” (resurrection festival).

In many European languages the name for “Easter” is derived from the Greek word for the Hebrew Pesach (Passover) – “Pascha”.
“Easter” is called “Pasqua” in Italian, “Pascua” in Spanish, “Paques” in French, and “Pasen” in Dutch: ... ter-001571
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KJV References

Mōlek, Hebrew Strong's #4432, a noun meaning “king,” is found 8 times in the OT, translated as “Molech” in the following verses:
Leviticus 18:21 - And thou shalt not let any of thy seed pass through the fire to Molech, neither shalt thou profane the name of thy God: I am the LORD.
Leviticus 20:2-5 - Again, thou shalt say to the children of Israel, Whosoever he be of the children of Israel, or of the strangers that sojourn in Israel, that giveth any of his seed unto Molech; he shall surely be put to death: the people of the land shall stone him with stones. And I will set my face against that man, and will cut him off from among his people; because he hath given of his seed unto Molech, to defile my sanctuary, and to profane my holy name. And if the people of the land do any ways hide their eyes from the man, when he giveth of his seed unto Molech, and kill him not: Then I will set my face against that man, and against his family, and will cut him off, and all that go a whoring after him, to commit whoredom with Molech, from among their people.
1 Kings 11:7 - Then did Solomon build an high place for Chemosh, the abomination of Moab, in the hill that is before Jerusalem, and for Molech, the abomination of the children of Ammon.
2 Kings 23:10 - And he defiled Topheth, which is in the valley of the children of Hinnom, that no man might make his son or his daughter to pass through the fire to Molech.
Jeremiah 32:35 - And they built the high places of Baal, which are in the valley of the son of Hinnom, to cause their sons and their daughters to pass through the fire unto Molech; which I commanded them not, neither came it into my mind, that they should do this abomination, to cause Judah to sin.
Melek, Hebrew Strong's #4428, a noun meaning “king,” is found 2523 times in the OT, translated king (2518), royal (2), Hammelech (1), Malcham (1), Moloch (1). It is translated as Moloch and Malcham in the following verses:
Amos 5:26 - But ye have borne the tabernacle of your Moloch and Chiun your images, the star of your god, which ye made to yourselves.
Zephaniah 1:5 - And them that worship the host of heaven upon the housetops; and them that worship and that swear by the LORD, and that swear by Malcham;
Milkōm, Hebrew Strong's #4445, is a proper noun from the root Mōlek meaning “king.” It is found 4 times in the OT, translated as Milcom (3) and Malcham (1) in the following verses:
1 Kings 11:5 - For Solomon went after Ashtoreth the goddess of the Zidonians, and after Milcom the abomination of the Ammonites.
1 Kings 11:33 - Because that they have forsaken me, and have worshipped Ashtoreth the goddess of the Zidonians, Chemosh the god of the Moabites, and Milcom the god of the children of Ammon, and have not walked in my ways, to do that which is right in mine eyes, and to keep my statutes and my judgments, as did David his father.
2 Kings 23:13 - And the high places that were before Jerusalem, which were on the right hand of the mount of corruption, which Solomon the king of Israel had builded for Ashtoreth the abomination of the Zidonians, and for Chemosh the abomination of the Moabites, and for Milcom the abomination of the children of Ammon, did the king defile.
1 Chronicles 8:9 - And he begat of Hodesh his wife, Jobab, and Zibia, and Mesha, and Malcham,
Moloch, Greek Strong's #3434, is a proper noun of Hebrew origin found 1 time in the NT:
Acts 7:43 - Yea, ye took up the tabernacle of Moloch, and the star of your god Remphan, figures which ye made to worship them: and I will carry you away beyond Babylon.
Smith’s Bible Dictionary, William Smith, 1884

MOLECH Mo'lech (king).
The fire-god Molech was the tutelary deity of the children of Ammon, and essentially identical with the Moabitish Chemosh. Fire-gods appear to have been common to all the Canaanite, Syrian and Arab tribes, who worshipped the destructive element under an outward symbol, with the most inhuman rites. According to Jewish tradition, the image of Molech was of brass, hollow within, and was situated without Jerusalem. "His face was (that) of a calf, and his hands stretched forth like a man who opens his hands to receive (something) of his neighbor. And they kindled it with fire, and the priests took the babe and put it into the hands of Molech, and the babe gave up the ghost." Many instances of human sacrifices are found in ancient writers, which may be compared with the description of the Old Testament of the manner in which Molech was worshipped. Molech was the lord and master of the Ammonites; their country was his possession, Jere 49:1 as Moab was the heritage of Chemosh; the princes of the land were the princes of Malcham. Jere 49:3; Amos 1:15 His priests were men of rank, Jere 49:3 taking precedence of the princes. The priests of Molech, like those of other idols, were called Chemarim. 2 Kin 23:5; Hose 10:5; Zeph 1:4
Easton's Bible Dictionary, Matthew George Easton, 1897

King, the name of the national god of the Ammonites, to whom children were sacrificed by fire. He was the consuming and destroying and also at the same time the purifying fire. In Amos 5:26, "your Moloch" of the Authorized Version is "your king" in the Revised Version (Compare Acts 7:43). Solomon (1Ki 11:7) erected a high place for this idol on the Mount of Olives, and from that time till the days of Josiah his worship continued (2Ki 23:10, 13). In the days of Jehoahaz it was partially restored, but after the Captivity wholly disappeared. He is also called Molech (Lev 18:21; Lev 20:2-5), Milcom (1Ki 11:5, 33), and Malcham (Zep 1:5). This god became Chemosh among the Moabites.
International Standard Bible Encyclopedia, 1915
“Solomon, under the influence of his idolatrous wives, built high places for Chemosh, the abomination of Moab, and for Milcom, the abomination of the children of Ammon. See CHEMOSH. Because of this apostasy it was intimated by the prophet Ahijah, that the kingdom was to be rent out of the hand of Solomon, and ten tribes given to Jeroboam (1 Kings 11:31-33). These high places survived to the time of Josiah, who, among his other works of religious reformation, destroyed and defiled them, filling their places with the bones of men (2 Kings 23:12-14).”
“Molech-worship had evidently received a great impulse from Ahaz, who, like Ahab of Israel, was a supporter of foreign religions (2 Kings 16:12). He also “made his son to pass through the fire, according to the abominations of the nations, whom Yahweh cast out from before the children of Israel” (2 Kings 16:3). His grandson Manasseh, so far from following in the footsteps of his father Hezekiah, who had made great reforms in the worship, reared altars for Baal, and besides other abominations which he practiced, made his son to pass through the fire (2 Kings 21:6). The chief site of this worship, of which Ahaz and Manasseh were the promoters, was Topheth in the Valley of Hinnom, or, as it is also called, the Valley of the Children, or of the Son of Hinnom, lying to the Southwest of Jerusalem (see GEHENNA).”
“That Molech-worship had increased in the interval may account for the frequency and the clearness of the references to it in tile later Prophets. In Jeremiah we find the passing of sons and daughters through the fire to Molech associated with the building of “the high places of Baal, which are in the Valley of the Son of Hinnom” (Jeremiah 32:35; compare to Jeremiah 7:31; 19:5)
Metaphysical Bible Dictionary (1955), p. 420.
"Meta. Setting up the outer reasoning or thinking consciousness as king, thus giving it dominion in one's life. Especially does Malcam as referring to the idol Molech signify the worship of the intellect, or reason, directed entirely by the senses, by the prejudices, seemings, customs, and desires of the outer man."

The Century Dictionary, an Encyclopedic Lexicon of the English Language, 1895
Moloch (mo'lok), n.

1. The chief god of the Phenicians, frequently mentioned in Scripture as the god of the Ammonites, whose worship consisted chiefly of human sacrifices, ordeals by fire, mutilation, etc. : also identified with the god of the Carthaginians called by classical writers Kronos or Saturn, Hence the word has now become a designation of any baneful influence to which everything is sacrificed.
The Century Encyclopedia of Names, 1897
Molech (rnö’lek), or Moloch (mô’lok). [‘Ktng.]

In 1 Ki. xi. 7, he is mentioned as an idol of the Ammonites, but the worship of Melech was spread among all the Canaanitish and Semitic tribes.] A form of Baal, the sun—god, or the personification of the male generative principle in nature. Molech represents the sun in his fierce destructive aspect. The worship of Molech consisted in offering human sacrifices. The god was represented with a bulls head andl long arms to receive the victims, which were lifted up to an opening in the breast of the brass statue and rolled into the furnace blazing inside. Whether the victims were first killed, or were burned alive, is a disputed question. The worship of Molech was at different periods introduced into Israel, with its principal place in the valley of Himmom : so under Ahaz (king of Judah 734—728 B. C.), Manassch (697-642), and Amon (642-640). In the cuneiform, inscriptions malik (‘ruler,' properly ‘decider’) can be the epithet of any god, but it is especially applied to Adar, who is among others the god of the destructive south or midday sun, and in the Old Testament is called Adrammelech (Adar-malik): to him children were sacrificed (2 Ki. xvii. 31). although in the Assyrian- Babylonian literature no reference to human sacrifices in honor of a divinity has been found. At Carthage the bloody rites of Molech were officially suppressed by the emperor Tiberius (14-37 A. D.).
The Concise Oxford Dictionary of Current English, 1919
Mo'loch (-k), n.

Canaanite idol to whom children were sacrificed (often fig.); thornlizard, a hideous Australian reptile. [L f. Gk, f. Heb. molek]
The Shorter Oxford English Dictionary, 1939

1. The name of a Canaanite idol, to whom children were sacrificed as burnt offerings (Lev. XVII 21), in Milton, one of the devils. Hence, an object to which horrible sacrifices are made. 1667.
2. The Australian thorn-lizard or thorn-devil, Moloch horridus, one of the most grotesque and hideous of reptiles 1845.
3. A Brazilian monkey, Callithrix moloch 1875.

"Howl", Allen Ginsberg, 1955
Moloch! Solitude! Filth! Ugliness! Ashcans and unobtainable dollars! Children screaming under the stairways! Boys sobbing in armies! Old men weeping in the parks!
Moloch! Moloch! Nightmare of Moloch! Moloch the loveless!
Mental Moloch! Moloch the heavy judger of men!
Moloch the incomprehensible prison!
Moloch the crossbone soulless jailhouse and Congress of sorrows!
Moloch whose buildings are judgment!
Moloch the vast stone of war!
Moloch the stunned governments!
Moloch whose mind is pure machinery!
Moloch whose blood is running money!
Moloch whose fingers are ten armies!
Moloch whose breast is a cannibal dynamo!
Moloch whose ear is a smoking tomb!
Moloch whose eyes are a thousand blind windows!
Moloch whose skyscrapers stand in the long streets like endless Jehovahs!
Moloch whose factories dream and croak in the fog!
Moloch whose smoke-stacks and antennae crown the cities!
Moloch whose love is endless oil and stone!
Moloch whose soul is electricity and banks!
Moloch whose poverty is the specter of genius!
Moloch whose fate is a cloud of sexless hydrogen!
Moloch whose name is the Mind!”
Statism is Idolatry, Pastor John Weaver
Did you know that the worship of Moleck came into Israel under King Solomon and also, several other idolatries? At I Kings 11:4:

"For it came to pass, when Solomon was old, that his wives turned away his heart after other gods: and his heart was not perfect with the LORD his God, as was the heart of David his father. For Solomon went after Ashtoreth the goddess of the Zidonians, and after Milcom the abomination of the Ammonites. And Solomon did evil in the sight of the LORD, and went not fully after the LORD, as did David his father. Then did Solomon build an high place for Chemosh, the abomination of Moab, in the hill that is before Jerusalem, and for Molech, the abomination of the children of Ammon. And likewise did he for all his strange wives, which burnt incense and sacrificed unto their gods. And the LORD was angry with Solomon, because his heart was turned from the LORD God of Israel, which had appeared unto him twice."

Note that the worship of Molech came in under Solomon.
What did Satan have to say to Adam and Eve?: 'you shall be as God.' Who has control over men? God does. Well, if we are our own gods or if we think we're some type of god, then we're going to have to exercise some control over men in order to prove it. So governments, then, are prone to idolatry. It's interesting that it was Solomon that introduced Moleck worship. He also built an alter for Astarte worship. It's interesting that he did that as well. Astarte was the goddess of sex, or love; a lot of prostitution was involved in the worship of Astarte.

Now, Molech worship is a power religion. It is a political religion. There was no king in Israel that had the power that Solomon had. Solomon knew power. In fact, Solomon ruled from the river Euphrates, all the way to the sea. He ruled the whole of The Promised Land which God had given. No other king had done that before or after. So Solomon knew what power was.

You see, Molech worship is the worship of the State. The word 'Molech' means, 'king or kingship.' Molech worship is the concept of divine kingship. We know it in our time as, 'the divine right of kings.' And, do you know that that concept went out the window just a few hundred years ago? Do you realize that Europe still had kings that ruled as God? Their word was absolute law. The king could do no wrong. They ruled in the place of God. Molech worship was a power manifested in the political order. It was a political religion. And the king became identified with God to the degree that manifested absolute power. Thus, the Molech state, as the Molech king, claimed total jurisdiction over man. That's where we get the term, 'Statism.' That's where we get the term, 'totalitarianism.' It's a claim of total and absolute jurisdiction.

The Molech state-- the false pagan idolatrous governments of our day--claim unlimited jurisdiction. They claim unlimited control over man and the world. The Molech state claims jurisdiction from the cradle to the grave. Or as one man says, 'from the womb to the tomb.' Over welfare, education, worship, family, business, farming--you name it, they claim control of it. And if you don't believe that is true in our land today, try to enter into any of that without a license or certificate and you'll find out. The government claims absolute jurisdiction and control.

The Two Babylons, Alexander Hislop, 1853
Now, looking simply at the Scripture, this perverse demand for self-torture on the part of those for whom Christ has made a complete and perfect atonement might seem exceedingly strange: but, looking at the real character of the god whom the Papacy has set tip for the worship of its deluded devotees, there is nothing in the least strange about it. That god is Moloch, the god of barbarity and blood. Moloch signifies “king”: and Nimrod was the first after the flood that violated the patriarchal system and set up as “king” over his fellows. At first he was worshipped as the “revealer of goodness and truth.” But by-and-by his worship was made to correspond with his dark and forbidding countenance and complexion. The name Moloch originally suggested nothing of cruelty or terror: but now the well known rites associated with that name have made it for ages a synonym for all that is most revolting to the heart of humanity, and amply justify the description of Milton (Paradise Lost):
“First Moloch. horrid king. besmeared with blood
Of human sacrifice, and parents’ tears.
Though, for the noise of drums and timbrels loud.
Their children's cries unheard, that passed through fire
To his grim idol."
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