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Re: Dragon society

Posted: Mon Apr 16, 2018 4:47 pm
by Firestarter
Druid, Knight of the Garter and PM Winston Churchill was a descendant of the Duke of Marlborough and the Spencer family.
See the Duke of Marlborough's Coat Of Arms with elements of both the Churchill and Spencer arms – the double-headed eagle (phoenix), 3 dragons, lions, 2 crowns and the cross of St. George.
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I thought that the lion in all these coat of arms of the aristocratic families is the Lion of Judah, but it looks like I was fooled again...
See the winged lion of Mithras; also note the serpents, dragons.
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Archaeology has revealed that a lion with eagle's wings was a common symbol in Babylonia. The eagle often symbolises the sun god, so a winged lion symbolises the sun powering the lion.
The symbol of St. Mark is really the Babylonian winged lion facing the symbol of the sun god. The lion of Daniel 7 has eagle's wings, a reference to Babylon: http://www.whale.to/c/winged_lion.html

See Tiamat the chaos serpent on a Babylonian seal.
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Traces of Mithras go as far back as the fourteenth century BC. Mithras was the greatest of the Yazats (angels); an angel of light associated with the sun. Mithras has a thousand ears, ten-thousand eyes.

The Mehregan feast of Mithras (or baga) in the month Bagayadi was one of the most ancient and most popular festivals for the ancient Iranians. This feast for the sun-god was probably pre-Zoroastrian of the Proto-Iranian (Aryan) era.

Mithras was very popular among the Roman military.
In Jewish mysticism, Mithras appears as Metatron, the highest of the angels. Mehregan, Tiragan and Norooz, were the only Zoroastrian feasts mentioned in the Talmud: http://www.cais-soas.com/CAIS/Celebrations/mehregan.htm
(archived here: http://archive.is/H8D4Q)

See the Achaemenid Seal of Emperor Artaxerxes standing before Mithras Anahit – with the lion and sun motif.
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In the ancient Hindu text Rig Veda, Mitra is mentioned over 200 times, who seduces people by Maya (illusion). The Sun is said to be the eye of Mitra.
Mitra and Varuna are two devas (deities) frequently referred to in the Rig Veda. Their connection is so close that they are often considered as one Mitra–Varuna.
See the statue of Varuna with Varunani, discovered in Karnataka, 8th century AD.
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In the Rig Veda, Vritra is a serpent or dragon, also known as Ahi (snake). The father of Vritra was Tvashta and his mother Danu.
In most descriptions, Vritra appears as a snake or a three-headed dragon.

According to the Rig Veda, Vritra kept the waters of the world captive until he was killed by Indra. The combat began after Indra had drunk a large volume of Soma to empower him. Tvashtri fashioned the thunderbolt (Vajrayudha) for Indra.
For slaying Vritra, Indra became known as Vritrahan (slayer of Vritra) and also as "slayer of the first-born of dragons". After defeating Vritra he also defeated his mother, Danu: http://allaboutdragons.com/dragons/Vritra

See Indra subduing Vritra.
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Order of the Garter, Honi soit qui mal y pense

Posted: Sun Nov 18, 2018 5:07 pm
by Firestarter
Carolus “Charles” Martel (688-741) is the founder of the Carolingian dynasty.
With all of the top aristocratic families in Europe descending from his daughter Alda and Rabbi Makhir, in particular from Alda’s son Guillaume de Gellone (a.k.a. William of Orange) and daughter Ida Redburga, arguably the Carolingians still rule the world. The Holy Roman Empire was founded by another grandson of Carolus “Charles” Martel, Charlemagne (the nephew of Alda).
See the 13th century tomb of Charles Martel.
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Henry II "Curtmantle" (1133 - 1189) was the first Plantagenet King of England, he was crowned in 1154.
The Plantagenets would rule England for the next 331 years.

King Edward Plantagenet III (1312-1377) was the fifth Plantagenet ruler of England after him in the direct line of succession. The Most Noble Order of the Garter was founded by King Edward III in 1348.

As a direct descendant of the Roman Ferreoli lineage, Edward III also held a claim as the heir as king of nearly half of present-day France.
The first Ferreoli to rule in France was Roman praetorian prefect Tonantius Ferreolus (ca 405 - ca 469). His descendants through a series of strategic marriages ultimately laid a claim to the French throne before Henry II became the first Plantagenet Sovereign of England.
Also through Edward III’s mother Isabell of France (1295 – 1358), the daughter of King Philip IV Valois- Capet (1268 - 1314), he could claim the French throne.
Edward III later ceded the French crown to his cousin Jean II Valois, who was a direct descendant of Hugh Capet (939 - 996). Edward III ratified the Treaty of Brétigny in 1360 that made Jean's monarchy a reality.

The Order of the Garter was styled after the Equite Knights of Rome (a.k.a. the Equestrians).
The Equestrians later became prefects (praefecti praetorio) who serve as the Roman emperor's personal guard.

Richard III, was the last king of the Plantagenet dynasty.
After he was killed, Henry Richmond (later Henry VII Tudor) claimed the throne which began the relatively short-lived Tudor dynasty.

Sir Thomas de Holland (1314-1360) was the 13th out of 25 knights Edward III selected for the Order of the Garter in 1344. These 25 knights are considered its founder knights. His brother Sir Otho de Holland was also one of the founding knights. Their father was the first Baron of Upholland.
The Holland lineage originally hailed from Friesland; their ancestors were counts and princes of Friesland since before the birth of Jesus Christ. Legend has it that Frisians immigrated to Punjab, India in the 14th century B.C. This group may indeed be the source of the earliest “Aryan” influence in the ancient Punjab region, which predates the formation of the Scythian ethno-cultural identity.
Alexander the Great enlisted them as mercenaries when he invaded India. They eventually returned to the Friesia soon after Alexander's death. Adel I Friso became the first dynastic king of Friesland upon their return in the 3rd century B.C.
Friesian descendant Sir Siward de Longworth de Holland came to England in the early 11th century, probably hired as a mercenary by William I, 6th Duke of Normandy.

Thomas had 4 four children with Joan Plantagenet.
A year after his death in 1360 she married Edward III’s son, Edward IV "the Black Prince". Their son Richard III reigned England from 1377 to 1399.

King Henry V restored the title and honours to the Holland family in 1439 in recognition of the faithful service of John Holland.
The title went extinct after Henry Holland (1430 – 1475), John's only son became attainted as a Lancastrian in 1461, thereby forfeiting the peerage.

William Bruges, the founding Garter King of arms, kneels before St George, who’s slaying the dragon, from the Bruges Garter book.
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John de Grey II (1300-1359) was another founder knight of the Order of the Garter.
The Earl Grey tea bland is named after Charles II, the 2nd Earl of Grey (1764-1845).
https://www.goodreads.com/author/show/4 ... the-garter
(archived here: http://archive.is/cbNNI)


Following is a complete (?) list of the Knights and Ladies of Order of the Garter, the most powerful "Order" in the world (1012 members since 1348).
It includes 6 Holy Roman Emperors, some (former) British Prime Ministers, and lots of members of the British and other royal families.

Current members of the Order of the Garter, from the British Royal family.
1 - Elizabeth, knighted in 1947.
2 - Philip, in 1947.
3- Charles, in 1958 (when he was only 9).
4 - Edward, in 1985.
5 - Anne, in 1994.
6 - Alexandra, in 2003.
7 - Andrew, in 2006.
8 - Edward, in 2006.
9 - William, in 2008.

At this time the Dutch Royal family has 2 Ladies/Knights of the Garter:
10 - Princess Beatrix of the Netherlands, in 1989.
11 - King Willem-Alexander of the Netherlands, in 2018.
12 - Prince Juan Carlos of Spain, in 1988.
13 - King Felipe VI of Spain, in 2017.

14 - Queen Margrethe II of Denmark, in 1979
15 - Grand duke Jean of Luxembourg, in 1972.
16 - Emperor Akihito of Japan, in 1998.
17 - King Harald V of Norway, in 2001.

The following are the remaining current Knights and Ladies from the Garter, all from Britain.
18 - Baron Edwin Bramall, in 1990.
19 - Baron John Sainsbury, in 1992.
20 - Baron John Baring, in 1994.
21 - Timothy Colman, in 1996.
22 - Duke James Hamilton, in 1999.

23 - Baron Peter Inge, in 2001.
24 - Antony Acland, in 2001.
25 - Baron Robin Butler, in 2003.
26 - Baron John Morris, in 2003.
27 - John Major, in 2005 (former British PM).
28 - Baron Richard Luce, in 2008.
29 - Thomas Dunne, in 2008.

30 - Baron Nicholas Phillips, in 2011.
31 - Baron Michael Boyce, in 2011.
32 - Baron Jock Stirrup, in 2013.
33 - Baroness Eliza Manningham-Buller, in 2014.
34 - Baron Mervyn King, in 2014 (former Governor of the Bank of England).

35 - Baron Charles Kay-Shuttleworth, in 2016.
36 - David Brewer, in 2016.
37 - Mary Fagan, in 2018.
38 - Viscount Alan Brooke, in 2018.

No less than 8 Holy Roman Emperors were Knights of the Garter…
Sigismund - Holy Roman Emperor from 1433–1437;
Albert V, Duke of Austria from 1397–1439 - later Holy Roman Emperor as Albert II;
Frederick III - Holy Roman Emperor 1415–1493; [Not Installed]
Maximilian, King of the Romans 1459–1520 - later Holy Roman Emperor Maximilian I;

Charles, Archduke of Austria and Duke of Burgundy 1500–1558 – later Holy Roman Emperor Charles V;
Ferdinand, Archduke of Austria 1503–1564 - later Holy Roman Emperor Ferdinand I;
Rudolf II - Holy Roman Emperor 1552–1612;
Maximilian II - Holy Roman Emperor 1527–1576, see his Coat of arms.
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Peter II, Emperor of Brazil, was the first non-European member of the Garter in 1871.
He was followed by…

Naser al-Din, Shah of Persia, knighted in 1873.
Muzzafir al-Din, Shah of Persia, in 1903 (who gave the Anglo-Persian Oil Company a 60 year oil monopoly).

Emperor Mutsohito of Japan, in 1905.
Emperor Yoshihito of Japan, in 1912.
Emperor Hirohito of Japan, knighted in 1929 (degraded 1941, restored 1971).
Emperor Haile Selassie of Ethiopia, knighted in 1954: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_K ... the_Garter


The motto of the Order of the Garter is in Old French “Honi soit qui mal y pense” and literally translates: “Shame on him who thinks evil of it”.
In contemporary French usage, it is usually used to insinuate that somebody, something isn’t as innocent as it appears but have a agenda.

Honi soit qui mal y pense” can be found on the front cover of the British Passport, Cayman Islands, and Gibraltar.
See the Gibraltar passport.
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The motto also appears in the source code for both the Apollo 11 and Apollo 13 lunar modules: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Honi_soit_qui_mal_y_pense


The Stamp Act, passed on 22 March 1765 by the British Parliament, caused uproar in the colonies over colonists being forced to buy a British stamp for every official document they obtained. The controversial act was enforced in November 1765.
The stamp displayed an image of a Tudor rose framed by the word “America” and the motto of the Order of the Garter “Honi soit qui mal y pense”.
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The colonists greeted the stamps with outrage and violence. Colonial merchants called for a boycott of British goods; some even organised attacks on customs houses and the homes of tax collectors.
A group of Bostonians for example burned a building they thought to be the “Stamp Office” and invaded the home of stamp distributor Andrew Oliver, threatening to kill him. Oliver had already fled the premises and resigned his post. In every state, except Georgia, the “stamp master” resigned under duress, making the Stamp Act impossible to implement.

On 18 March 1766, Parliament voted to repeal the Stamp Act.
At the same time they passed the Declaratory Act, which confirmed that British government had total legislative power over the colonies. The Declaratory Act carefully omitted any assertion of Parliament’s right to tax colonists.
At the same time, Parliament passed the Revenue Act of 1766, which compensated Britain’s loss of income from the stamp tax with taxes on molasses (an ingredient in making rum). The colonists paid this tax without complaint.

The protests against the Stamp Act is sometimes considered one of the first organised political actions of the American Revolution: https://www.history.com/this-day-in-his ... remembered
(archived here: http://archive.is/fpfF1)


The Abbey of St Paul’s outside the Vatican Walls shares a common history with the Basilica for which it was founded.
The coat of arms of the Abbey still includes the garter and the motto: “Honi soit qui mal y pense”, which surround the shield and the traditional image of the sword of Paul

During the Middle Ages, the kings of England exercised the function of protectors of the Basilica: http://www.basilicasanpaolo.org/interno ... 2&lang=eng


Here’s a British Royal Fusiliers cap badge featuring “Honi soit qui mal y pense”. I’m afraid I don’t know what the top part signifies (a tree, fire?).
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See the Coat of Arms for Heidelberg Castle, Germany (1683).
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The Coat of arms over the entrance to the electoral office in Stolpen, Germany.
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It appears on the Royal Coat of Arms of the British East India Company

Honi soit qui mal y pense” was also on Hong Kong coins – see the Tael (1867).
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http://64.62.227.27/v3/new-world-order/ ... ttedPage=0
(archived here: http://archive.is/ACdVE)


The following French Caricature, shows that already in 1899 people knew about the true nature of British imperialism.
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Re: Dragon society

Posted: Sun Dec 02, 2018 5:55 pm
by Firestarter
I was looking for more information on the European aristocrats that supported the German Nazis: viewtopic.php?f=7&p=5573#p5572

I looked in particular for the predecessors of Montagu Norman and Otto von Habsburg.


The Order of the Garter is the continuation of the Knights Templar of London, who covertly manage the City of London Corporation which was founded by Templars.

The ascendants of Montagu Norman, include the Montagu family are that came from Italy before settling in France. They became British Peers around 1149 and further gained baronages through serving King Edward III of England.
The Montagu family are British Peers with dukedoms all over the United Kingdom. The Montagu, Douglas, Scott, and Percy families are all intermarried and claim to be related to Normans which claim to be relatives of Norsemen.
The Percy family came to England in the 11th century. They have bloodline relations to Saxons, Anglicans, and the originally Turkish-Scythian Alans which settled in France around the 5th century.

William de Montagu (a.k.a. William de Montacute), 2nd Earl of Salisbury, 4th Baron Montagu, King of Man was a founding Knight of the Order of the Garter.
See his Coat of arms, with the triskelion that was adopted in the Coat of arms of Man.
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The House of Montagu is deeply involved in merchant banking and are strong supporters of British-Zionism while posing as “anti-Zionists”. The Montagu family originally established the Bank of England for the British Crown.
The Montagu Barons have even greater international influences in banking than the Rothschild family as the co-founders of the Bank of England and connections with HSBC and their Norman agents’ connections to the Bank for International Settlements. The Montagus are Roman Catholic.

Walter Montagu was a secret agent working with the Medicis in France and the Vatican. Charles Montagu, the 1st Earl of Halifax, worked at the Crown’s Treasury and after developing the Bank of England he became the Chancellor of the Exchequer. The Montagu family of Manchester own the British Cheetham Hill Gang crime firm.
The Montagus of Manchester established residences in Australia. Sharp End International is a private military company in Australia and New Zealand.
HSBC recently incorporated The Montagu’s of Swaythling’s Samuel Montagu & Co. into their multibillion dollar private equity firm called the Montagu Private Equity under HSBC which manages about 5 billion in assets.

Count Gustaf Douglas from the Scottish Douglas clan is a Swedish billionaire noble.

The head of the Percy family is Duke Ralph Percy and has the same grandfather as Duke Richard Montagu-Douglas-Scott. His sons are Earl of Percy, George Percy, and Max Ralph Percy who married Princess Nora Oettingen-Spielberg of Germany.
Barbara Bush was born a Pierce and is closely related with the Percy family which formerly used the name Pierce-Eye. Charles “Don Carlos” Percy of the Percy family established Trail Lake Plantation in the South of the US which intermarried with the Walker family, like the Bush, Pierce and Walker families have intermarried.
The Walkers were slave traders and the Percy family owned slaves. US President Franklin Pierce was a cousin of the slave owning Percy’s and was against ending slavery: https://ahuwahzeus583992924.wordpress.c ... ng-cartel/
(archived here: http://archive.is/Sxh95)


An interesting story is that (another) founding Knight of the Garter, Thomas de Holland, at 24 married the 11-year old Joan Plantagenet in 1339. Joan was the daughter of Edmund, earl of Kent, granddaughter of Edward I and cousin of King Edward III.
Then, while Thomas was fighting abroad, Joan married again in February 1341 to William de Montagu.

After Thomas de Holland had made a name for himself, and became a Knight of the Garter, in 1348, he petitioned the papal court to confirm the validity of his marriage and have Joan returned to him. Joan testified that the marriage had been “consummated” almost immediately after the wedding ceremony.
In November 1349, the Pope annulled Joan’s marriage to Montagu and she was ordered back to Holland.

After De Holland died, Joan, would marry “Black Prince” Edward IV, and their son would be crowned in 1377 as King Richard II: https://historytheinterestingbits.com/t ... m-montagu/


Of the 9 (I thought only 8!) Holy Roman Emperors that were also Knights of the Garter; 8 were of the House of Habsburg.

Albert the Magnanimous (Albert V) was King of Hungary, Croatia, Bohemia and Germany, Duke of Luxembourg and, Archduke of Austria – and Knight of the Garter since 1438.

Frederick III was the first emperor of the House of Habsburg and the third member of the House of Habsburg to be “elected” King of Germany – and Knight of the Garter since 1457.

Maximilian I ruled jointly with his father from ca. 1483 to his father's death in 1493. Maximilian expanded the influence of the House of Habsburg through war and his marriage in 1477 to the heiress to the Duchy of Burgundy – and Knight of the Garter since 1489.

Charles V was Archduke of Austria, Duke of Burgundy (including part of the Netherlands and France) and ruler of Spain (including part of Italy). He brought under his rule extensive territories in West, Central and South Europe and the Spanish viceroyalties in the Americas and Asia. He was the heir of Habsburg of Austria, Valois of Burgundy and Trastámara of Spain (the Crowns of Castile and Aragon). Through Castile he owned part of the Americas and Asia – and Knight of the Garter since 1508 (at only 8 years?).
See Charles’ Coat of arms.
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Ferdinand I was King of Hungary, Croatia and Bohemia – and Knight of the Garter since 1522.

Rudolf II was King of Hungary, Croatia, Bohemia and Archduke of Austria – and Knight of the Garter since 1587.

Maximilian II was King of Hungary, Croatia and Bohemia – and Knight of the Garter since 1567.

Francis II (1768 – 1835) was the last Holy Roman Emperors from 1792 to 1806, when he dissolved the Holy Roman Empire of the German Nation, after being defeated by Napoleon. In 1804, he became the first Emperor of Austria. He was also Apostolic King of Hungary and Bohemia – and Knight of the Garter since 1814.


Other Knights of the Garter of the House of Habsburg (that weren’t crowned Holy Roman emperor) include.

Philip I (1478 – 1506) was the first was the first King of Castile (by marriage) of the House of Habsburg, he inherited the greater part of the Duchess of Burgundy (including part of the Netherlands). The son of Maximilian I and father of Emperor Charles V – and Knight of the Garter since 1503.

Franz Joseph I (1830 – 1916) was Emperor of Austria and Monarch to many states of the Austro-Hungarian Empire, including King of Hungary – and Knight of the Garter since 1867.

Rudolf (1858 – 1889) died before he could follow in the footsteps of his father Franz Joseph I by suicide – and Knight of the Garter since 1887.

Archduke Franz Ferdinand (1863 – 1914) was never crowned. His assassination has been called the reason for WW I – and Knight of the Garter since 1902.

Garter and the Dutch House of Orange

Posted: Fri Dec 21, 2018 6:23 pm
by Firestarter
Princess Beatrix of the Netherlands (like her mother Juliana was) is a Stranger Lady of the Garter, her son King Willem-Alexander became a Knight of the Garter earlier this year.
King Felipe VI of Spain and his predecessor, Juan Carlos I, are concurrently Stranger Knights of the Garter.

See Juan Carlos second from left, Beatrix second from right, and King Harald V of Norway on the far right, front row. In the centre of the front row: Philip, Elizabeth and Charles, at the Garter ceremony in 2002.
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Another interesting story is of the Dutch King of Britain from 1689 to 1702, William of Orange (Willem van Oranje in Dutch), who had become a Knight of the Garter in 1653.
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He was never King of the Netherlands though: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... story.html


The first King of the Netherlands, King William I, was effectively made king in 1815 after the invasion by the French under Napoleon Bonaparte made him popular, he had become a Knight of the Garter in 1814…
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Tsar Alexander I of Russia, who became a Knight of the Garter in 1813, played a central role in making William the first king of the Netherlands: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_I ... etherlands


Napoleon’s nephew and heir, Napoleon III, became a Knight of the Garter in 1855.
See Queen Victoria knighting Emperor of France Napoleon III at the Garter ceremony, 18 April 1855.
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Garter – Girdle

Posted: Thu Jan 10, 2019 6:09 pm
by Firestarter
The official tale on the founding of the Order of the Garter is something like - that the countess of Salisbury Joan of Kent, Edward´s cousin and daughter-in-law, dropped her garter when dancing at a ball. King Edward III picked it up, put it on his own leg and uttered “Honi soit qui mal y pense”.
Edward III then said that even knights should be honoured to wear that garter, and so founded the Order of the Garter.
This tale was first written in 1360, so after the Order was founded.

According to Nicholas de Vere the Garter is really just another tail eating snake (Ouroborus).
I think that both explanations are wrong and at the very least don’t explain why St. George is the patron saint of the Order of the Garter...

There is a third explanation that involves a late 14 century poem, involving Knight Gawain, the Green knight and a girdle that ends with “honi soit qui mal y pense”.
As this poem was written AFTER the Order of the Garter was founded in 1348, this couldn’t be an explanation either: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sir_Gawai ... een_Knight


The best explanation I found is from the tale of St. George...
St. George is the patron saint of a number of countries, including: England, Portugal, Georgia, Lithuania, and Greece.

St. George is believed to have been born in Cappadocia (in Turkey) and was born in the second hald of the 3rd century AD.
He served as a soldier in the Roman army. In protest against the persecution of Christians by Roman Emperor Diocletian (244-311) at the beginning of the 4th century, St. George resigned from his military office.
When St. George tore up the emperor’s order against the Christians, Diocletian had him imprisoned and tortured. George refused to reject his Christian faith, so he was dragged through the streets of Diospolis (a.k.a. Lydda) in Palestine and beheaded.
See the 15th century painting (note the halo).
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The most popular tale of St. George involves slaying a dragon. St. George is most commonly depicted as a knight mounted on a horse and spearing a dragon.
The best known form of this legend is in the “Legenda Aurea”, written by archbishop of Genoa Jacobus de Voragine in the 13th century.

Beside the city Silene in Libya was a pond with a “dragon which envenomed all the country”. The people of the city fed the beast 2 sheep each day. The people of the city also sacrificed humans to it.
St. George passed Silene one day, when the king’s daughter would be offered to the dragon. When St. George heard about it and saw the princess; he decided to slay the beast:
Thus as they spake together the dragon appeared and came running to them, and S. George was upon his horse, and drew out his sword and garnished him with the sign of the cross, and rode hardily against the dragon which came towards him, and smote him with his spear and hurt him sore and threw him to the ground.
And after said to the maid: Deliver to me your girdle [belt], and bind it about the neck of the dragon and be not afeard. When she had done so the dragon followed her as it had been a meek beast and debonair.

St. George then then slayed the dragon and converted the king and his people to the Christian faith.
In another tale, during the First Crusade, St. George is said to have helped the crusaders during their successful siege of Antioch in 1098: https://www.ancient-origins.net/history ... gon-005794
(archived here: http://archive.is/gWtWk)

I guess that you won´t be surprised that I think that the garter represents the girdle that was bound around the dragon´s neck...