The text you quote summarizes quite well a real historiographical debate: not so much about whether Bacon was actually a Freemason, but about whether he was the spiritual ancestor of Freemasonry, the Rosicrucian movements and the organized scientific elite that emerged later.
The interesting thing is that there are three different levels:
The historical Bacon
Francis Bacon was:
Lord Chancellor of England.
Founder of empiricism.
Supporter of organized scientific research.
Author of New Atlantis.
These are of course documented.
The utopian Bacon
In New Atlantis he describes Bensalem, a society where real power lies neither with the merchants nor with the people nor with the generals.
It is located in the House of Solomon.
This institution:
collects information from all over the world,
maintains secret laboratories,
conducts experiments,
controls the dissemination of knowledge,
decides what knowledge will be given to society.
This reminds many of:
academy of sciences,
think tank,
secret society of wise men,
or even a technocratic government.
For this reason, several authors see Bacon as the ideological ancestor of technocracy.
The esoteric/Masonic Bacon
This is where the controversial theories begin.
Authors such as Alfred Dodd, Friedrich Nicolai and others have argued that:
Bacon was associated with Rosicrucian circles,
the Royal Society was a realization of his vision,
modern Freemasonry originated from circles inspired by Bacon.
The problem is that the evidence is mostly circumstantial.
There is no known document in which Bacon writes:
"I founded Freemasonry."
Nor are there any lodge records that record him as Grand Master.
That is why most historians treat these theories with caution.
Where the matter really gets interesting
Leaving aside the question of "was he a Freemason?", his greatest influence may lie elsewhere.
Bacon essentially proposed a new social principle:
Knowledge should be gathered by experts and used to govern the world.
This idea reappears later:
in the Royal Society,
in the Enlightenment,
in the Industrial Age,
in the positivism of Auguste Comte,
in the technocratic movements of the 20th century.
This is why many critics of modern technocracy believe that Bacon's real legacy was not some secret lodge, but the idea that society should be organized by those who possess specialized knowledge.
In this sense, even if it is never proven that he was a Freemason, one can argue that he was one of the most important intellectual ancestors of the modern technocratic conception of the state and science.
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Re: Technocracy, Atlantis, Skinner
https://lawfulpath.com/forum/viewtopic. ... 680#p81680Firestarter wrote:B.F. Skinner visited Esalen. He developed operant conditioning - the "Skinner Box", which included electrocution and flashing lights. Almost like a model for the neo-Pavlovian conditioning of Huxley's "Brave new world".
The Esalen/MKULTRA connected psychologist B.F. Skinner developed and promoted a technology to change behaviour for widespread “social reform” (mind control). In 1948, Skinner published his utopian novel “Walden Two”.
Skinner’s efforts were part of a larger social engineering network that included the Technocracy Movement of the 1930s. Skinner’s desire to engineer society with a technology to change behaviour was a social-scientific expression described by the Technocracy Movement.
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.American psychologist B. F. Skinner (1904–1990), one of the most “visible scientists” of the 20th century (Rutherford, 2004), did embrace the project of redesigning the entire social order, and used the utopian genre to express his vision. He was notoriously vocal about his conviction that the findings from his experimental analysis of behavior should be used to radically reform society and redesign culture, outlining what this might look like in his utopian novel Walden Two (Skinner, 1948).
Skinner was tenaciously committed to the social application of his behavioral principles, extrapolating freely from experiments with pigeons and rats in the precisely controlled spaces of the animal laboratory in order to make his point.3 He intentionally chose the phrase “technology of behavior” to describe his system of behavioral engineering. As Smith (1992, 1996) has shown, Skinner consistently adhered to a technological ideal of science that was rooted in his early exposure to Baconian philosophy and his reading of Bacon’s utopian vision in the New Atlantis (Bacon, 1659).
And as his biographer Daniel Bjork has discussed, Skinner’s orientation was firmly rooted in the American tradition of scientist as inventor and engineer (Bjork, 1993, 1996). Thus, over the course of the 20th century, Skinner and his ideas were woven into the heated, ongoing, and probably unresolvable debate on the meaning, role, and management of technology in American society and the shaping of American life.
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The next major addition to Skinner’s list of inventions was the teaching machine.14 He was convinced that operant principles offered the key to academic success. By bringing students’ learning behaviors under more direct control through positive reinforcement, and by breaking down material into manageable and interlocking steps, Skinner hoped to revolutionize teaching practices (Skinner, 1954, 1961a, 1961b, 1968). Through the promotion and manufacturing of teaching machines and programmed instruction, he hoped to reform the inefficiency of the practices that pervaded American education.
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As such, the Board of Planners and Managers was Skinner’s version of a technate, a body of appointed technical specialists who solved administrative problems apolitically, through scientific investigation and technological application. In Walden Two, as in a technocracy, problems of government were viewed as technical problems. Frazier explained how grievances might be handled by the Board should they arise: “‘A grievance is a wheel to be oiled, or a broken pipe line to be repaired’” (Skinner, 1948, p. 269). In Walden Two, the absence of a price system and the abolition of money were also seen as antidotes to possible political corruption. The appointed experts were, in both systems, assumed to possess little vice and to hold the welfare of society close to heart.
American psychology from its earliest days was “permeated with a technoscientific attitude that stressed the twinned goals of knowledge and application, of science and practice, often employed in the service of increased order, efficiency, rationalization, and control”.
The utopian writings of some early psychologists often placed the “social control functions of the
discipline at the center of their vision”.
Technocrats focused primarily on how the system of production and distribution could be reorganised to adapt to the technological changes from the previous decades. Their plan also included a theory of human behaviour and human nature, that foreshadowed Skinner’s work.
Skinner was influenced by Francis Bacon to search for ways to use science to shape and reshape nature, “Skinner has been characterised as a ’psychologist with the soul of an engineer,’ a designation that aptly captures his thoroughgoing allegiance to the technological ideal of science”.
.Firestarter wrote: ↑Sat Jun 06, 2026 8:26 pmSir Francis Bacon's 1626 utopian novel “New Atlantis” is widely considered the foundational text of technocracy. It outlines a society directed by a “scientific elite” instead of politicians.
Skinner followed the thinking of Russian physiologist Ivan Pavlov and American behaviourist John B. Watson. The Technocrats were organising a social and political movement based on the same underlying theoretical model of human nature. In Technocracy Inc.’s 1934 book “Technocracy Study Course”, the chapter “The Human Animal” outlined human nature and provided the framework for their engineered society.
This more or less confirms that the technocrats use technology to reward ‘good’ behaviour and punish ‘bad’ as a form of mind control...
The Technocrats proposed a system based on energy units or ergs. The cost of a product would be based on the number of units of energy needed to produce it. The total of energy required to produce all goods would be divided by the population, and each citizen would receive an equal number of energy certificates to purchase goods each year: https://web.archive.org/web/20251115160 ... 000062.pdf
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Re: UAE. Saudi Arabia, Sudan
Apparently all the well-known 'conspiracy theorists' whine about not being allowed to criticise Jews, Israel and Zionism. While 'nobody' talks about the UAE royals, with more money than brain cells.
The UAE criticises Israel as a distraction strategy, while being as Zionist as Trump's USA, and paying billions to Zionist 'think tanks', and Israeli intelligence firms to build their surveillance state.
Could these be the posts that the troll farm wants to cover up by derailing 'my' threads?!?
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The UAE criticises Israel as a distraction strategy, while being as Zionist as Trump's USA, and paying billions to Zionist 'think tanks', and Israeli intelligence firms to build their surveillance state.
Could these be the posts that the troll farm wants to cover up by derailing 'my' threads?!?
.Firestarter wrote: ↑Wed Feb 04, 2026 10:08 pmIt’s amazing how often shortly after I post something, news gets published with similar keywords, which then helps me find the scandals they are trying to cover-up…Firestarter wrote: ↑Sat Jan 31, 2026 9:53 pmEllison is also one of the key players in the takeover of the US version of TikTok. In which the biggest shareholders will be:
Oracle (that has been storing TikTok US data since 2022), led by Ellison - 15%;
MGX, from the UAE (where else?), led by UAE’s national security adviser Tahnoun bin Zayed Al Nahyan - 15%
.viewtopic.php?p=88119#p88119Firestarter wrote:Trump’s crypto firm World Liberty Financial got a $2 billion investment from a firm backed by the UAE government.
Zach Witkoff — son of Middle East envoy Steve Witkoff and founder of World Liberty Financial — announced the deal accompanied by Eric Trump. The Emirati firm, MGX, will be using World Liberty Financial’s “stablecoin” to make a deal with Binance, the world’s largest crypto exchange
Apparently preceding the $2 billion, UAE Sheikh Tahnoon bin Zayed Al Nahyan’s “purchased” 49% of Trump’s cryptocurrency company World Liberty Financial for $500 million – 4 days before Trump was crowned for the second time.
The investment made Tahnoon‘s Aryam, World Liberty’s largest shareholder. The deal placed 2 Aryam executives on World Liberty’s five-person board - Martin Edelman and Peng Xiao.
Edelman is a New York real-estate lawyer, who advises the Abu Dhabi royal family and sits on the board of multiple Tahnoon companies, including G42 and MGX, and is a longtime friend of Witkoff.
In 2024, a Republican committee chairman said that Xiao was behind an “expansive network” of UAE and China-based companies supporting Chinese “military-civil fusion and human rights abuses” (no Emirati “abuses”?!?).
Tahnoon met Trump and Steve Witkoff several times in the White House and soon got access to 500,000 advanced “AI chips” a year.
On Trump’s first day in office, Donald announced the $500 billion Stargate project, by OpenAI and SoftBank at the White House, which included Tahnoon’s MGX: https://archive.is/ztSao
This is also connected to the following:.Firestarter wrote: ↑Thu Jan 01, 2026 8:57 pmIt was strangely ignored by most that the United Arab Emirates (once again!) was also involved in launching Project Stargate. Besides in the UAE, Stargate data centers are planned in the UK, Norway and Japan.
The UAE AI firm G42, Oracle, SoftBank Group, OpenAI, Nvidia and Cisco in a partnership will build the "UAE Stargate" data center, which is expected to open already in 2026.
As for the scandals they want covered up… which show really how our technocratic overlords plan to weaponize these data centers…
Tahnoon bin Zayed has led several spying and smear campaigns…
The UAE’s Project Raven spied on other governments and human rights activists, including through hacking phones and computers.
Project Raven started in 2008 as DREAD, developed by Richard A. Clarke through his advisory group Good Harbor Consulting for UAE de facto dictator Mohamed bin Zayed Al Nahyan.
.viewtopic.php?p=81837#p81837Firestarter wrote:Richard Clarke tipped off Bin Laden’s high-ranking UAE and Saudi friends, preventing the capture or killing of the terrorist mastermind.
In September 1994, high-ranking UAE and Saudi government ministers, including UAE dictator Sheikh Zayed bin Sultan Al Nahyan (!), Abu Dhabi royal Sheikh Mohammed bin Rashid Al-Maktoum and Saudi minister Prince Turki al-Faisal, started bird hunting trips in Afghanistan, with Bin Laden:They would go out and see Osama, spend some time with him, talk with him, you know, live out in the tents, eat the simple food, engage in falconing, some other pursuits, ride horses.
During the Rwandan genocide of 1994, Clarke advised then–US Ambassador to the UN Madeleine Albright, to request to withdraw all UN troops from Rwanda.viewtopic.php?p=6315#p6315Firestarter wrote:The people most responsible for atrocities in the region—unprecedented human bloodletting, war crimes, crimes against humanity, and genocide—are protected. These include Yoweri Museveni, Salim Saleh, Paul Kagame, James Kazini, Moses Ali, James Kabarebe, Taban Amin, Jean-Pierre Bemba, Laurent Nkunda, Meles Zenawi… a long list of people whose culpability is without question, many of whom have been named for atrocities again and again. U.S. Special Operations forces know what happened and should be deposed under oath in a legitimate International Criminal Court, which at present does not exist, and is not in the making. Ditto for Madeleine Albright, Anthony Lake, Thomas Pickering, Susan Rice, John Prendergast, General William Wald, General Frank Toney, Walter Kansteiner, Dick Cheney, Donald Rumsfeld, Richard Holbrooke, Roger Winter, Frank G. Wisner, Andrew Young… another short list.
By the end of 2010, Karl Gumtow’s CyberPoint replaced Good Harbor in Project Raven.
Between 2012 and 2015, Raven teams hacked into rival governments, including Qatar over winning the right to host the football World Cup: https://web.archive.org/web/20230413133 ... hitehouse/
Near the end of 2015, the UAE cybersecurity firm DarkMatter was contracted for Project Raven, with some CyberPoint staff moving to DarkMatter.
Its surveillance targets included Americans, which implicated its American staff in unlawful behaviour.
Project Raven monitored the internet for mentions of DarkMatter.
Project Raven’s target lists included not only authors, but also others connected to that person.
This gives a glimpse on how data centers that store everything about us will be used…https://theintercept.com/2019/06/12/dar ... intercept/also the “author’s boyfriend, girlfriend, or brother … two or three hops out” from the original target. The idea was to hack anyone who might be communicating with the target, Cole said, and to “go get anyone you can to get a foothold in this organization” in order to spy on their sources, as the source put it.
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If targets traveled to the UAE, Project Raven would take advantage of their proximity, at times going so far as to break into a target’s room, explained the hacking team source: “If they’re in country we just go to the service provider and say, ‘Hey, we need … access,’ [or] poison their wireless access at a hotel.” This source said that Project Raven tasked members of the Emirati State Security Department to “dress up as cable guys, do fake repairs, be in a hotel where you needed to be, swap out your laptop charger for one that looks similar” in order to compromise a target’s devices.
Coincidentally I previously posted....Firestarter wrote: ↑Fri Jan 02, 2026 11:07 pmSee another picture of Odin, one eye, in red with a cape and a yellow sun, with 2 ravens, 18th century.
Tahnoun bin Zayed Al Nahyan also hired the Swiss intelligence company Alp Services (led by Mario Brero) for smear campaigns against Qatar and the Muslim Brotherhood in Europe, particularly in France.
The French Roland Jacquard worked for Alp Services and the Emirati secret services. Jacquard has done the rounds in the media as an 'expert' on Islamist radicalism.
In emails, Jacquard provided secret information from the top of the French government. He supplied information that came from the security services and even President Macron himself. In September, October 2020, Jacquard told his Emirati contact that he had “private” meetings with Macron, Macron’s advisors, PM Jean Castex, interior minister Gérald Darmanin and justice minister Éric Dupond-Moretti, about a new law against radical Islam.
Alp Services reportedly also generated news reports to criticise a Geneva prosecutor, at the request of a mistress of former Spanish King Juan Carlos.
In 2018, Macron's former bodyguard Alexandre Benalla started to work for Alp Services’ Mario Brero, after Benalla had been dismissed from the Élysée: https://web.archive.org/web/20230307174 ... ing-france
Macron’s personal bodyguard Alexandre Benalla and another employee, Vincent Crase, were caught beating up peaceful protesters in Paris: https://ronpaulforums.com/threads/macro ... rs.524680/
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Firestarter wrote: ↑Sat May 30, 2026 9:16 amLooking for more on Project Raven, I found the following…Firestarter wrote: ↑Wed Feb 04, 2026 10:08 pmAs for the scandals they want covered up… which show really how our technocratic overlords plan to weaponize these data centers…
Tahnoon bin Zayed has led several spying and smear campaigns…
The UAE’s Project Raven spied on other governments and human rights activists, including through hacking phones and computers.
Project Raven started in 2008 as DREAD, developed by Richard A. Clarke through his advisory group Good Harbor Consulting for UAE de facto dictator Mohamed bin Zayed Al Nahyan.
In 2007, the UAE approached Mati Kocahvi’s company 4D Security Solutions to build a ‘smart’ surveillance system in Abu Dhabi. Mati Kocahvi’s AGT International won the $6 billion contract.
Mati Kochavi is an Israeli arms dealer, billionaire, spy and Holocaust movie producer.
In 2016, Kochavi provided the UAE with FalconEye, a collection of cameras and artificial intelligence sensors to implement practically total surveillance of the UAE.
In 2011, the UAE contracted CIA veteran Larry Sanchez to expand the UAE’s intelligence apparatus.
DarkMatter’s offices are only 2 floors away from UAE’s intelligence agency, the National Electronic Security Authority (NESA).
DarkMatter’s senior vice-president of technology research was formerly employed by NESA.
Simone Margaritelli described how a representative described how DarkMatter works:.Imagine that there’s a person of interest at the Dubai Mall, we’ve already set up all our probes all over the city, we press a button and BOOM! All the devices in the mall are infected and traceable.
In April 2017, DarkMatter signed a Memorandum of Understanding with Huawei for “Big Data” systems and “Smart City” solutions. Huawei is praised by communist China for its role in the Belt Road Initiative (BRI). One of the BRI’s signature projects is Ecuador’s national emergency system for which Huawei developed surveillance equipment, facial recognition technology, and wireless access controllers.
The UAE played a pivatol role in building Saudi Arabia’s owns surveillance capacity for which the UAE connected the Saudis to the Israeli NSO Group. Saudi Arabia acquired a similar system as what the UAE is using.
As part of the deal, Saudi Arabia acquired the hacking software Pegasus, which it used to hack journalist Jamal Khashoggi’s phone prior to his murder, as well as (other) “dissidents, enemies and political opponents”: https://www.trtworld.com/magazine/the-u ... uads-23805
(https://archive.is/qef8A)
.https://lawfulpath.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=4182#p4182Firestarter wrote:Flynn also joined the advisory board of OSY Technologies, part of the NSO Group, a cyber weapons dealer founded by former Israeli intelligence officials. Flynn also consulted for Francisco Partners, an American private equity firm that controls NSO. According to Steve Eisner, general counsel of Francisco Partners, Flynn had served the company in a relatively limited advisory role.
It is odd that the Western media ‘forget’ to report that similar totalitarian surveillance systems are used all around the developed world, which I think should concern us more than what is happening in the Middle East (your own government is spying on you, helped by all the smart fools walking around with the surveillance equipment called cell phone!)…
The New York Times reported that the app ToTok was “used by the government of the United Arab Emirates to try to track every conversation, movement, relationship, appointment, sound and image of those who install it on their phones”, and was removed from the app stores of Google and Apple.
Because ToTok doesn’t encrypt messages end-to-end, the company can read the messages. ToTok’s Privacy Policy explicitly states that they collect “Address Book Data” and “Messages”. While this is as bad as it sounds, popular communications tools have similar architectures to ToTok, so these corporation “could” likewise read messages and listen in on VoIP calls. Popular examples include Gmail, Google Hangouts, Facebook Messenger, Telegram, and Twitter.
For some reason the writer of this interesting essay argues that this isn’t anywhere near as bad as ToTok, because they are ‘private’ companies (ignoring that these companies were founded with the help of intelligence agencies!).
The essay does show suspicious connections from ToTok to UAE’s National Security Advisor Sheikh Tahnoon bin Zayed al-Nahyan, a brother of Abu Dhabi’s Crown Prince Mohammed bin Zayed.
ToTok’s developer was listed as “Breej Holding Ltd”.
Breej Holding’s sole director was listed as Hasan Mohamed Saif Hasan Alremeithi. Hassan Al-Rumaithi (a.k.a. Hassan Alremeithi) is Sheikh Tahnoon’s adopted son.
See Sheikh Tahnoon bin Zayed with Hassan Al-Rumaithi.
ToTok Technology’s sole director is Osama Hussein Saleh Hussein Alahdaly, whose address is listed as the address for Royal Group UAE, Sheikh Tahnoon’s holding company.
“Group 42 Holding Ltd” appears to have created the ToTok app, based on YeeCall, a VoIP app from a Chinese company..
Group 42 is a UAE-based AI company, whose CEO is the former CEO of Pegasus LLC, formerly a division of DarkMatter Group. Pegasus LLC was renamed to “PAX AI”, and is now a division of Group 42. Group 42 appears to have created ToTok as an app called “G42 IM”.
Group 42’s sole director Hamad Khlfan Ali Matar Alshamsi is “Public Relations Manager at the Office of H.H. Sheikh Tahnoun Bin Zayed Al Nahyan”.
Group 42’s CEO is Peng Xiao, former CEO of DarkMatter Groups’s Pegasus LLC division. DarkMatter of course hacked dissidents for Project Raven.
Martin Pegman was transferred from DarkMatter to Group 42.
Sheikh Tahnoon was linked to a hack of UAE activist Ahmed Mansoor’s computer in 2012: https://medium.com/@billmarczak/how-tah ... 6c06c93ba6
(https://archive.is/kmvKM)
Apparently the UAE also employed an assassination team to kill political opponents in neighbouring Yemen, with connections to Project Raven,https://lawfulpath.com/forum/viewtopic. ... 314#p88314Firestarter wrote:In early 2016, the veteran of SEAL Team 6, Daniel Corbett, was hired for the assassination team in Yemen. Corbett was later hired by Raven Military.
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I guess that ‘they’ don’t want you to find out that Qatar funded the Hamas terrorists at the request of Netanyahu.https://lawfulpath.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=31&t=2716Firestarter wrote:Netanyahu has explained how to use Hamas and supposedly even asked Qatar (that seems to be made into some sort of pariah state over the reporting of Al Jazeera) to fund Hamas…
So in December 2023, the UAE’s Project Raven produced documents to blame Israeli PM Benjamin Netanyahu of taking millions of dollars from Qatar (which our media called “Qatargate”).
Supposedly to help make Qatar more popular. With Israel and Netanyahu unpopular around the world, this seems absurd to me: https://web.archive.org/web/20240814052 ... cle-809030
Of course it’s also absurd to think that Project Raven is a reliable source for information. I think that they made up these documents out of thin air (I haven’t seen the documents in the tales I’ve read about them by the way)…
While the UAE and Qatar posing as enemies is rather convincing, the last year they’ve also been trying to convince us that the UAE and Saudi Arabia have become enemies.
This includes the story that the UAE arms the Sudan RSF militia, while Saudi Arabia and Qatar arm Sudan’s SAF militia.
With the RSF widely condemned for their genocidal practices, the UAE gets a lot of blame for the Sudan “civil war” in which more than 150,000 Sudanese have already died since April 2023 (possibly more than half a million).
The Middle Eastern oil sheiks don’t care about Africans being slaughtered (whether Muslim or otherwise), and I don’t believe at all that this ‘proves’ that the UAE and Saudi Arabia have become enemies.
The UAE and Saudi Arabia TOGETHER started the Sudan “civil war” in 2021 by arming/financing the military coup against Sudan’s “President” Omar al-Bashir (that had been in power since a military coup in 1989): https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sudanese_ ... 93present)
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